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Revision as of 18:22, January 23, 2023
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::::Many expositors say Paul was speaking of the same guy in 1 & 2 Cor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:21, January 23, 2023 (EST)
::::Many expositors say Paul was speaking of the same guy in 1 & 2 Cor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 08:21, January 23, 2023 (EST)
:::::Excommunication is a biblical practice ((Matthew 18:15–17). Please look at those verses. One of the steps is a single person privately approaching him about the sin in question. If he repents, then that solves the matter. So that would cover what Paul says in 2 Cor. But if he doesn't repent, then there are more steps involved in excommunication that move forward. But at the end, if he doesn't repent, he is excommunicated. Excommunication requires believers to judge a Christian and sentence him to excommunication. That is my point. The excommunicated person is judged by Christians. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:54, January 23, 2023 (EST)
:::::Excommunication is a biblical practice ((Matthew 18:15–17). Please look at those verses. One of the steps is a single person privately approaching him about the sin in question. If he repents, then that solves the matter. So that would cover what Paul says in 2 Cor. But if he doesn't repent, then there are more steps involved in excommunication that move forward. But at the end, if he doesn't repent, he is excommunicated. Excommunication requires believers to judge a Christian and sentence him to excommunication. That is my point. The excommunicated person is judged by Christians. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:54, January 23, 2023 (EST)
::::::Ah yes, the good old "real Christians don't judge" argument. There's a difference between presiding over someone as judge ready to sentence someone to punishment, and having basic discernment. Matthew 7:15-16a: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits." How can we "beware" and "know them by their fruits" if we refuse to use decrement to determine who is friend and who is foe? And yes, I did say "foe". While our foes deserve mercy and love, we need to know who is on which side, and be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16b). Matthew 10:11-15: "Whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy there and stay at his house until you move on. (12)As you enter the home, greet its occupants. (13)If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; but if it is not, let your peace return to you. (14)And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (15)Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town". While that was a very specific set of instructions for a single time, it's pretty difficult to accomplish this without discernment.
::::::So Keep or delete? Honestly, I don't have a strong preference either way. I think that the argument for deletion is erroneous, but I don't know how much value this page provides to our readers, either. And yes, someone should read through it carefully if we're going to keep it, to make sure everything is accurate and appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:22, January 23, 2023 (EST)
--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:22, January 23, 2023 (EST)
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* [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:06, January 23, 2023 (EST)
* [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:06, January 23, 2023 (EST)