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Sixth, regarding RobS' edits of the second paragraph, Trump's bad hires cannot be blamed entirely on security clearance issues. In some cases, it was clearly due to him listening to bad advice. For example, if Rex Tillerson and H.R. McMaster could get security clearance, then Trump would've had no problem replacing them with like-minded individuals. But instead, he hired bottom-of-the-barrel people like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. That doesn't happen due to a forced hand, no way. On a related note, the same advisers who recommended Bolton and Pompeo very likely were involved in Tillerson and McMaster being pushed out in the first place.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:29, February 14, 2023 (EST)

Sixth, regarding RobS' edits of the second paragraph, Trump's bad hires cannot be blamed entirely on security clearance issues. In some cases, it was clearly due to him listening to bad advice. For example, if Rex Tillerson and H.R. McMaster could get security clearance, then Trump would've had no problem replacing them with like-minded individuals. But instead, he hired bottom-of-the-barrel people like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. That doesn't happen due to a forced hand, no way. On a related note, the same advisers who recommended Bolton and Pompeo very likely were involved in Tillerson and McMaster being pushed out in the first place.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:29, February 14, 2023 (EST)

::The only reason Tillerson, McMaster, Pompeo, Bolton, Grenell, Radcliffe, Nikki Haley, Elaine Chou, Esper ''et al'' were appointed is because they had security clearances; Flynn, Sheriff Derek Clarke, Scarramucci, Michael Cohen, Hope Hicks, Omarosa, Sydney Powell, Schindler ''et al'' were driven out or denied because the FBI holds the power over who does and who does not get a security clearance.  

::The only reason Tillerson, McMaster, Pompeo, Bolton, Grenell, Radcliffe, Nikki Haley, Elaine Chou, Esper ''et al'' were appointed is because they had security clearances; Flynn, Sheriff Derek Clarke, Scarramucci, Michael Cohen, Hope Hicks, Omarosa, Sydney Powell, Schindler ''et al'' were driven out or denied because the FBI holds the power over who does and who does not get a security clearance.  

::Theoretically, a person can get a White House or administration job but denied a security clearance, like Jarad Kushner. Being useless in the job they are appointed then opens the president up to the charge cronyism and nepotism.

::Theoretically, a person can get a White House or administration job but denied a security clearance, like Jarad Kushner. Being useless in the job they are appointed then opens the president up to the charge of cronyism and nepotism.

::This issue is central to Trump's feud with the [[Deep State]].  He wanted to appoint people outside the DC and globalist club, and they want to show him who really is in control and makes the decisions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 18:48, February 14, 2023 (EST)

::This issue is central to Trump's feud with the [[Deep State]].  He wanted to appoint people outside the DC and globalist club, and they want to show him who really is in control and makes the decisions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 18:48, February 14, 2023 (EST)

::Mind you, the present system is very much the legacy of the McCarthy hearings, [[J. Edgar Hoover]], and the [[Alger Hiss]] scandal.  After the Hiss scandal and others, all security clearances for government hiring were given over to J. Edgar and the FBI.  Prior to that, each Department did it's own security screening. J. Edgar tried to warn the State Dept, the Treasury Dept. and the White house that they were hiring and had [[KGB]] agents on staff, but was ignored. Eventually all hiring (i.e. security clearances) were centralized in the FBI.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 18:54, February 14, 2023 (EST)

::Mind you, the present system is very much the legacy of the McCarthy hearings, [[J. Edgar Hoover]], and the [[Alger Hiss]] scandal.  After the Hiss scandal and others, all security clearances for government hiring were given over to J. Edgar and the FBI.  Prior to that, each Department did it's own security screening. J. Edgar tried to warn the State Dept, the Treasury Dept. and the White House that they were hiring and had [[KGB]] agents on staff, but was ignored. Eventually all hiring (i.e. security clearances) were centralized in the FBI.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 18:54, February 14, 2023 (EST)

:::The appointment of the [[DNI]] after [[Dan Coats]] resignation highlights this problem (as well as almost all instances cited above); Coats was a Pence guy, that's how he got the job.  When he quit, Trump wanted to hire Radcliffe who had the necessary qualifications and clearances, but [[SSCI]] (not FBI) held it up. Some Acting non-political deputy testified during the Impeachment 1.0 hearings. Eventually Grenell took over with the necessary clearances. After the failed impeachment, the SSCI acquiesced to Radcliffe.  

:::The appointment of the [[DNI]] after [[Dan Coats]] resignation highlights this problem (as well as almost all instances cited above); Coats was a Pence guy, that's how he got the job.  When he quit, Trump wanted to hire Radcliffe who had the necessary qualifications and clearances, but [[SSCI]] (not FBI) held it up. Some Acting non-political deputy testified during the Impeachment 1.0 hearings. Eventually Grenell took over with the necessary clearances. After the failed impeachment, the SSCI acquiesced to Radcliffe.  

:::Trump's appointment of Grenell as Acting DNI, later Radcliffe with Senate approval, was Trump's effort to penetrate the Deep State intelligence community. It came too late, Trump was learning on the job.  He's a bit better preprepared now. But one person (as Nixon and JFK learned) can't take on the Deep State themself. They have six ways from Sunday of making your life miserable.  

:::Trump's appointment of Grenell as Acting DNI, later Radcliffe with Senate approval, was Trump's effort to penetrate the Deep State intelligence community. It came too late, Trump was learning on the job.  He is a bit better prepared now. But one person (as Nixon and JFK learned) can't take on the Deep State themself. The Deep State has six ways from Sunday of making your life miserable.  

:::Let's drill down. Both Radcliffe and Grenell had the clearances, but the Senate Intel Cmte refused to sign off on both for Senate approval. Grenell was appointed Acting DNI, so the Senators saw that Trump was learning how to play the game.  Trump held firm, and with the limited time remaining, they acquiesced in Radcliffe. Even then, the SSCI must have known Trump's days were numbered and figured Radcliffe didn't have enough time to expose all the corruption related to [[Russiagate]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 19:08, February 14, 2023 (EST)  

:::Let's drill down. Both Radcliffe and Grenell had the clearances, but the Senate Intel Cmte initially refused to sign off on both for Senate approval. Grenell was appointed Acting DNI, so the Senators saw that Trump was learning how to play the game.  Trump held firm, and with the limited time remaining, the SSCI acquiesced in Radcliffe. Even then, the SSCI must have known Trump's days were numbered and figured Radcliffe didn't have enough time to expose all the corruption related to [[Russiagate]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]} 19:08, February 14, 2023 (EST)  

:Alright, fair points. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{(Matthew 26:52)}]]''''' Tuesday, 16:26, February 14, 2023 (EST)

:Alright, fair points. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{(Matthew 26:52)}]]''''' Tuesday, 16:26, February 14, 2023 (EST)