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'''Reply:''' Phyllis, I don't know where you got your information on sickle cell anemia but it was certainly a biased source. You have not given the full story; 25% of those with sickle cell anemia die prematurely! '''''This is not a good mutation.''''' As the closest thing to a good mutation that evolutionists can come up with this is not supportive of evolution at all.
 
'''Reply:''' Phyllis, I don't know where you got your information on sickle cell anemia but it was certainly a biased source. You have not given the full story; 25% of those with sickle cell anemia die prematurely! '''''This is not a good mutation.''''' As the closest thing to a good mutation that evolutionists can come up with this is not supportive of evolution at all.
 
--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:40, 13 January 2007 (EST)
 
--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:40, 13 January 2007 (EST)
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Benjamin please use statistics meaningfully. For your 25% to have significance you would need to compare it to the premature death rate of people without this mutation. You would also have to carefully define premature and look at the populations that have the mutation (if they are a population succeptible to malaria then they probably have poor living conditions). Also can you site a source for the 25%? -- [[User:Chris F|Chris F]]
    
'''Further Reply:'''  Overall the mutation sickle cell anemia is obviously harmful.  The same is true for all mutations.  Simple probability predicts this:  a random mutation is far more likely to reach a less desirable form.  The odds are overwhelming.  It is the same reason that heat always flows to cooler places.  If you think mutations can be beneficial, then do you also think heat can sometimes "by chance" flow to a hotter place?  That if we added billions of years it must happen sometimes?  Of course not.  It never happens.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)
 
'''Further Reply:'''  Overall the mutation sickle cell anemia is obviously harmful.  The same is true for all mutations.  Simple probability predicts this:  a random mutation is far more likely to reach a less desirable form.  The odds are overwhelming.  It is the same reason that heat always flows to cooler places.  If you think mutations can be beneficial, then do you also think heat can sometimes "by chance" flow to a hotter place?  That if we added billions of years it must happen sometimes?  Of course not.  It never happens.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)
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