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:::Sigh, I just explained (and to reiterate in a briefer summary) that the only reason Jesus employed immediate judgment within the parable was because of its necessity to fit within the larger plot and moral of the story. The fact that He referred to the conscious place of torment as "Hades" clearly indicated that the notion of the lost immediately judged after death is simply fictitious. And elsewhere in the Bible, it's stated over and over again that souls sleep in the the grave (Sheol); see [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011:11-15&version=ESV John 11:11–15] for an obvious example.

:::Sigh, I just explained (and to reiterate in a briefer summary) that the only reason Jesus employed immediate judgment within the parable was because of its necessity to fit within the larger plot and moral of the story. The fact that He referred to the conscious place of torment as "Hades" clearly indicated that the notion of the lost immediately judged after death is simply fictitious. And elsewhere in the Bible, it's stated over and over again that souls sleep in the the grave (Sheol); see [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011:11-15&version=ESV John 11:11–15] for an obvious example.

:::If you take the immediate judgment aspect of the parable to correspond literally to real life, consider the corollaries. Can the souls in a temporary heaven and temporary hell actually communicate with one another? (in the parable, Abraham in paradise could talk to the rich man in Hades) How can the redeemed in a temporary heaven have any comfort if they have unsaved loves ones in the temporary hell? If the wicked in the temporary hell start cursing at those in the temporary heaven because intercommunication is possible, do the souls in paradise need a mute button? etc. etc. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{(Matthew 26:52)}]]''''' Tuesday, 19:15, May 9, 2023 (EDT)

:::If you take the immediate judgment aspect of the parable to correspond literally to real life, consider the corollaries. Can the souls in a temporary heaven and temporary hell actually communicate with one another? (in the parable, Abraham in paradise could talk to the rich man in Hades) How can the redeemed in a temporary heaven have any comfort if they have unsaved loves ones in the temporary hell? If the wicked in the temporary hell start cursing at those in the temporary heaven because intercommunication is possible, do the souls in paradise need a mute button? etc. etc. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|^{(Matthew 26:52)}]]''''' Tuesday, 19:15, May 9, 2023 (EDT)

No, I don't agree. That many will remain unbelievers even after Lazarus (not to mention Christ) rises from the dead is true, but Christ had no need to tell us what would in fact be an elaborate deception (on your view) to make that point. The only reason He tells us that Souls exist and go to Heaven or Hell is because they in fact do. Why have you adopted the SDA view when there's a wealth of Biblical Evidence against it? You are just beginning to read the Word of God. I would suggest studying seriously for at least another 5 to 10 years (perhaps at Seminary level, like I have) before coming to firm conclusions. I've shown many passages that show the departed are alive and at rest in Heaven, not "dead" and unconscious. "now he is comforted and you are tormented" (Luk 16:25).

No, I don't agree. That many will remain unbelievers even after Lazarus (not to mention Christ) rises from the dead is true, but Christ had no need to tell us what would in fact be an elaborate deception (on your view) to make that point. The only reason He tells us that Souls exist and go to Heaven or Hell is because they in fact do. Why have you adopted the SDA view when there's a wealth of Biblical Evidence against it? You are just beginning to read the Word of God. I would suggest studying seriously for at least another 5 to 10 years (perhaps at Seminary level, like I have) before coming to firm conclusions. I've shown many passages that show the departed are alive and at rest in Heaven, not "dead" and unconscious. "now he is comforted and you are tormented" (Luk 16:25).