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:Simply said, both Britan and France lost their Empires trying to enforce Polish security guarantees, and Poland did not emerge as a "[[democracy]]". So it is really difficult to say that either France or Great Britain "won" World War II. Whereas Soviet Communism was enhanced, largely due to British and American efforts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:Simply said, both Britan and France lost their Empires trying to enforce Polish security guarantees, and Poland did not emerge as a "[[democracy]]". So it is really difficult to say that either France or Great Britain "won" World War II. Whereas Soviet Communism was enhanced, largely due to British and American efforts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Well, what happened in WW2 is not the issue here. The issue is (1) Russia committed not to attack or threaten aggression against Ukraine, (2) it blatantly violated that commitment under Putin. (3) the UK and US also committed to help defend Ukraine (4) and, although albeit slowly, they are at least trying to keep that commitment now.
We probably aren't going to agree on this issue, Rob. But to me it's blatantly clear Putin's aggression is (1) illegal under international law and memorandums like the BM above, (2) immoral and unjust, and (3) bad for Russia itself. The sooner Putin and his advisors can see that, the better for everyone. If they don't, too bad. But they can if they want to. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:38, June 30, 2023 (EDT)