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:::[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65HKFevUNqLs-0AXYmDHdyg9-QtnfnhC Bigger Better Stronger - Donald Trump Remix]. Let hope for MAGA 2024! (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:55, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
:::[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65HKFevUNqLs-0AXYmDHdyg9-QtnfnhC Bigger Better Stronger - Donald Trump Remix]. Let hope for MAGA 2024! (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:55, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
::::For some reason, you keep introducing the names "Donald Trump" and "Republican" into discussions on the current situation in Ukraine; I'm left with the impression that if the neighbor's dog kept pooping in your yard, you'd respond, "Just wait til the next election, the Republicans will fix that!" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 02:14, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
::::For some reason, you keep introducing the names "Donald Trump" and "Republican" into discussions on the current situation in Ukraine; I'm left with the impression that if the neighbor's dog kept pooping in your yard, you'd respond, "Just wait til the next election, the Republicans will fix that!" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 02:14, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
== China/Taiwan - the Coming War. Within community of security experts, no longer if but when. Most likely by 2027. Prepare ==
[[File:Lavrov March 19 2022.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comment during Q & A at the Leaders of Russia Management Competition, Moscow, March 19, 2022. [https://thesaker.is/foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-leaders-of-russia-management-competition-moscow-march-19-2022/] ''[[NYT]]'' journalist Tom Friedman joked, ''"Grandma always said never fight Russia and China at the same time."'' [https://archive.ph/YHRPS] ]]
We are in the Great Calm before the Storm. But don't be deceived. The Storm's Coming. Prepare. Don't panic, but prepare. Spiritually, and in every other way. Including by educating and spreading awareness about the Great Evils of Communism, including the 65+ MN dead under the CCP in Mao's time.
Tweets: "Translated from Spanish by Google:
"On the possibility of a war, @jmhumir assures that, within the community of security experts, the issue is no longer about if the war between China and the US will happen, but when it will happen" https://twitter.com/AmericanoMedia/status/1674873742797750283
and: "When we talk about China 🇨🇳 #PCC there are three dates that we should all keep in mind:
2049 - Anniversary of the PRC and China wants to dominate the world.
2030 - China wants to be the world economic power.
2027 - China wants to annex Taiwan.
The question is not whether there will be a conflict with China, the question is whether we are prepared to stop them."
https://twitter.com/jmhumire/status/1674903598029783047 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:03, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:China doesn't need to annex Taiwan, it's already part of China. [[Blinken]] just said so. [https://news.yahoo.com/blinken-declares-us-does-not-173627449.html] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 22:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
:This war was originally suppose to happen in 2021, but got cancelled cause of the pandemic, I suppose. Then it was pushed back to 2022; last week we were told 2025, Now it's 2027 cause the [[globalists]] and [[military industrial complex]] got themselves in a bind in Ukraine, and the original plan was to knock out Russia first. They can't carry out their aggression against China without knocking out Russia first, which will never happen cause Russia will [[nuke]] the globalists before that ever happens.
:This planned US aggression against China looks more and more like scare tactics, like [[lockdown]]s, social distancing, and mask wearing - scare tactics for expanded government surveillance and societal control. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:44, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:The globalists and [[deep state]] want people to live in fear, whether it's the pandemic, Russia, China, white supremacists, etc etc etc. It is the source of their power, to get people to beg government for protection. ''We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 01:48, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::Red China has been on the verge of attacking Taiwan for a long time. It's a journalism evergreen. There was more tension in 1996, when China was threatening to nuke Taiwan. Japan is planning a major defense buildup, so time is not necessarily on China's side. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::Why is it okay for the US to support [[Taiwan]] separatists but Russia can't back [[Donbas]] separatists? Oh, and don't gimme this 'Ukraine is a [[democracy]]' BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:25, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::::The options are to be pro-separatist across the board or anti-separatist across the board? That seems rather limiting. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:39, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::I just have a hard time figuring out if separatists are good guys or bad guys. I note Western propaganda never refers to "US-backed Taiwan separatists" while the US official position recognizes Taiwan as part of China. And it's a little odd, seeing that providing arms to separatists is a violation of Chinese sovereignty and the UN Charter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:15, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::I mean, I thought Putin was a bad guy cause he provided aid to Donbas, but the US has been doing the same thing to Taiwan for 50 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Since 1945, in terms of military victories, the United States [https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/america-win-loss-iraq-afghanistan/394559/ has experienced little except military stalemate and loss]. On top of this, the huge military expenses have helped make the USA less secure due to their help in building up the enormous national debt.
:::::In addition, the USA "community of security experts" have not secured the Mexican border - despite a very large amount of Americans dying of drug overdoses.
:::::The current US "community of security experts" have a terrible track record - despite the USA having two enormous oceans helping to protect the USA and the USA having the friendly northern neighbor of Canada. So it's time to stop listening to them and find ways to reduce their funding.
:::::Lastly, China is in bad financial shape and is a mercantile nation very dependent on foreign trade so its doubtful that they will attack Taiwan. In addition, amphibian assaults are difficult and even if Taiwan were successfully conquered by mainland China, much of its most valuable assets could be destroyed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:26, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::::::''The Atlantic''. Now there's another pro-[[neocon]], pro-[[globalist]] [[deep state]] publication. The official publication of the [[Atlantic Council]], which was behind the [[Russia collusion hoax]] and [[NATO war in Ukraine]]. Two questions: (a) Why do you fill your head with such crap? and (b) why do you even bring it here for serious discussion? If you believe reading and citing ''The Atlantic'' makes you look informed or intelligent, it doesn't. It makes you look naive and [[brainwash]]ed. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Drain the swamp! Stop spilling swamp water all over CP Talk pages!. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:50, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
You are engaging in the [[genetic fallacy]] which is a logical fallacy.
So are you saying that America's post-1945 wars have been victorious affairs? At best, the best case that can be made is that South Korea is free. But the Korean War was a stalemate. And in 2020, President Donald Trump signaled that he wants South Korea to pay more than what Seoul is already paying for U.S. military presence there.
You blew it RobS with your past support for bloated USA military budgets. One of your heroes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92oSgU17Lo Colonel Douglas MacGregor says the USA military is bloated and needs to be pared down]. MacGregor argues that it is the homeland that the USA needs to defend and that the USA should stop being interventionist overseas. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:28, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Even the subheading you posted here has nothing to do with text you've posted. Go troll somebody else. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:17, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Maybe Ace McWicked is eating too many French Fries and carbohydrates right now, and you could do an intervention and prolong his life. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::If a [[secular left]]ists website which claims to be pro-science is promoting the eating of junk food/ultra-processed food, of course there is nothing wrong with showing it is not practicing sound nutritional science nor is it practicing sound medical science. This is so obvious that your stubborn refusal to see the obvious is quite unreasonable. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::Go ahead, continue. On behalf of Peter and Nishant, I want to thank you for disrupting and destroying our conversation. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:41, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
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:::We were attempting to have an intelligent discussion about how to handle the China/Taiwan issue on the Main Page, and you intruded with irrelevant, poorly sourced, unnecessary claptrap, and made it impossible for three editors, Nishant, Peter, and myself, to cooperate and move forward, Thank you. You've had this disrespectful habit and attitude toward other good faith editors for as long as I have known you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:45, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::No one is interested in listening to you pretend to sound intelligent, except yourself, when you do not even understand the purpose of a conversation between three other good faith editors. 23:47, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
::::Nishant recently upbraided you for engaging in personal attacks and other rude and boorish behavior. He did no such thing with me. Please exercise some self-awareness as it is needed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:51, July 2, 2023 (EDT)