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:::You are saying that no amount of evidence or sound arguments are going to change your mind. Being stubborn, closed-minded, stiff-necked is not a virtue. It is a vice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:52, September 16, 2023 (EDT)
 
:::You are saying that no amount of evidence or sound arguments are going to change your mind. Being stubborn, closed-minded, stiff-necked is not a virtue. It is a vice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:52, September 16, 2023 (EDT)
 
::::Thanks for taking the hint that I’m not looking for a debate on this matter at the moment. 😉When one has truth faith in The Lord, one uses discernment in who they allow to persuade them in another direction. If God or his word leads me in another direction then I accept his holy will, but some random person on the internet I don’t really know and who I know I’m the not so distant past was promoting the charismatic movement I shall put my guard up against the same as I would a Jehovah’s Witness at my doorstep. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 11:06, September 16, 2023 (EDT)
 
::::Thanks for taking the hint that I’m not looking for a debate on this matter at the moment. 😉When one has truth faith in The Lord, one uses discernment in who they allow to persuade them in another direction. If God or his word leads me in another direction then I accept his holy will, but some random person on the internet I don’t really know and who I know I’m the not so distant past was promoting the charismatic movement I shall put my guard up against the same as I would a Jehovah’s Witness at my doorstep. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 11:06, September 16, 2023 (EDT)
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:::::I am looking into the faith/works issue more. I think I may have to understand the Greek better, do more Bible exegesis, etc. There does seem to be a tension between James 2:24 and Ephesians 2:8-9. I think a better understanding is possible. But in a proverbial sense, some nuts are harder to crack than others. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:43, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
 
Jesus Christ said: "Store your Treasures in Heaven" (Luk 12:33). After confessing our sins and being justified by Grace (1 Jn 1:9), we must then do Good Works and strive for Holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Heb 12:14). That's how you store your Treasures in Heaven, the Lord is there speaking of Good Works especially like Prayer, Fasting and Almsgiving, as the Gospel passages make clear. Good works are extremely, you can't read the Beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount, and come away thinking disciples of Christ aren't called, commanded and bound to do Good Works, which also help us grow in Grace after coming to faith. In 1 Cor 3:13-15, it speaks of two categories of believers, one those who worked well, and thus receive a Reward from the Lord; the other, who are subject to the Lord's discipline for bad works or sins. "each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward." (1 Cor 3). In 2 Pet 1, similarly, two sets of Christians are distinguished. One who neglect sanctification, others who will receive a Rich Reward in the Kingdom of Heaven: "2 Pet 1: Confirming One’s Calling and Election
 
Jesus Christ said: "Store your Treasures in Heaven" (Luk 12:33). After confessing our sins and being justified by Grace (1 Jn 1:9), we must then do Good Works and strive for Holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Heb 12:14). That's how you store your Treasures in Heaven, the Lord is there speaking of Good Works especially like Prayer, Fasting and Almsgiving, as the Gospel passages make clear. Good works are extremely, you can't read the Beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount, and come away thinking disciples of Christ aren't called, commanded and bound to do Good Works, which also help us grow in Grace after coming to faith. In 1 Cor 3:13-15, it speaks of two categories of believers, one those who worked well, and thus receive a Reward from the Lord; the other, who are subject to the Lord's discipline for bad works or sins. "each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward." (1 Cor 3). In 2 Pet 1, similarly, two sets of Christians are distinguished. One who neglect sanctification, others who will receive a Rich Reward in the Kingdom of Heaven: "2 Pet 1: Confirming One’s Calling and Election
 
3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
 
3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
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