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Conservapedia:User complaints (view source)
Revision as of 23:57, September 21, 2023
, 23:57, September 21, 2023Reverted edits by Conservative (talk) to last revision by RobSmith
*[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEssay%3A_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future&diff=1984995&oldid=1984894 Extensive trolling event spread over 2 days in emails, phone calls and discussion regarding his pastor]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:38, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
*[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEssay%3A_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future&diff=1984995&oldid=1984894 Extensive trolling event spread over 2 days in emails, phone calls and discussion regarding his pastor]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:38, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:*[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEssay%3A_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future&diff=1985043&oldid=1985039 Admits his own editing habits violate Conservapedia standards]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:03, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
===The jilted lover affair===
:::Due to some recent events and opportunities, I am making a shift in my priorities and interests so I will not be following or writing about geopolitics for a while. I am going to wait for the geopolitical dust to settle in terms of events unfolding and perhaps write about geopolitics again in 2030. But even if I do engage in a bit of additional writing about geopolitics, I don't expect it to take longer than 1-2 hours.
:::But I did add a few pictures to this essay today to tie up loose ends. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:54, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::Heard this spiel 10,000 times, and when you call me up on the phone, it's the same spiel. No one's interested in the [[narcissistic]] priorities in your life. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:58, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::And let me be clear on this - I don't care if your retired pastor goes back to embalming corpses so he can marry his sweetheart girlfriend, and your fantasies of earning $100k to $150k to help him out has no impact on my life. Zero. Nothing. I don't care. And please don't [[troll]] on the phone for 10 minutes with this nonsense to justify your actions, or in emails. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:04, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::As I patiently listened on the phone about your pastor/undertaker the other day, and then the sudden introduction of another character with the pronoun "she" whom you felt some allegiance to as well as the pastor/undertaker (I had difficulty understanding that you had introduced a third character in to this charade with your alternating use of pronouns "he" and "she" whom you had some devotion to and wanted to economically support) I had a large feeling that you were doing nothing more than perpetrating an elaborate troll on me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:09, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
You were not being a good listener and mangled what I said in the telephone call. And this is not the first time. On two occasions I asked you to repeat back to me what I just said in a phone call and you couldn't do it.
Anyway, I am still not interested in geopolitics at this time which is certainly my right to decide to do. If you want to debate geopolitics, I suggest joining an online politics forum or joining a debate club that focuses on political/social issues. You can also set up debates at: [[Conservapedia:Debate Topics]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:43, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Okay, Rob's stream of conciousness reconstruction of the important phone call you placed on my talk page and emailed me about:
{{quotebox-float|"I have been attending a Lutheran church where the paster was anti-mask. As a result, he lost 40% of his congregation. But he's a good pastor and I like him. However, he may be forced into retirement now. He used to be an undertaker, but became a paster. He's a "people person", and getting to the people before they die makes sense. However now he may have to go back to embalming bodies. But he has a sweetheart he wants to marry. "She's" a real sweetheart. I want to help him out. She needs help. He would appreciate anything I could do to help. [extended content alternating between "he" and "she" and not clarifying who or what he's talking about.] I have job opportunities to make $100k to $150k. They're really good. I want to take advantage of these opportunities. Then I'd be able to support he/him/her/them and he wouldn't have to retire from preaching and go back to embalming bodies. I could fix the log-in problem for Andy, too. Anything you [Rob] can do to help."}}
:Sorry. That's about as much sense I can reconstruct from memory. C'mon, User:Conservative. Fill in the blanks and solve these mysteries. It obviously was of such vital importance to you, that you took up two hours of my time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:59, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::You're not sorry. A person who publishes private emails is not the type of person who is given to remorse and I also believe you are making things up as far as what the email said and not relaying it accurately. For example, my pastor is married! This is such a farce and I have better things to do with my time.
::With that being said, America is a land of opportunity and much can be accomplished with good old-fashioned hard work - especially if one sharpens his job skills. God bless America!
::Now if you will excuse me, I am going to put my shoulder to the wheel and not be drawn into pointless drama. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:17, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::It's not an email. It's a reconstruction of your [[psychotic]] phone call to me that [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RobSmith&diff=1984484&oldid=1984483 you deemed so important]. Your psychotic email you also claim to have sent to Andy. If Andy reads this, hopefully it will fill in some of the blanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:26, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
==="American greatness"===
==="American greatness"===
::Greatness is relative. Regardless, if you feel you have a great case concerning your position, feel free to create the essay [[Essay: Why America is NOT great]]. Best wishes and godspeed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:17, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::Greatness is relative. Regardless, if you feel you have a great case concerning your position, feel free to create the essay [[Essay: Why America is NOT great]]. Best wishes and godspeed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:17, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::Don't make our readers get this info second hand: Explain the story of you pastor/undertaker and his sweetheart "she" whom you want to support with your $150k income. We're all waiting to hear it in your own words. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:20, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::You emailed me to tell me how important it is. I still don't understand. Please explain here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:22, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::I never said my pastor has a sweetheart wife - even though he does! And again, if you truly feel you have a good case for your position then write the essay [[Essay: Why America is NOT great]]. Because I am not going to engage in pointless, bitter wrangling about this topic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:35, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::::If you truly feel you have a vital case for phone and email contact about your paster cum undertaker and his sweetheart [[drag queen]] wife, and why you need to make $150k per year to support all three of you, tell us here and now. 13:42, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::I'm not sure that's an appropriate comment for a family-friendly website like Conservapedia. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:35, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
Your last post was drenched in bitterness and your recall about various matters is poor. Furthermore, you are engaging in malicious gossip.
By the way, I never said I need to make 150K a year. You are not being accurate. Nevertheless, many churches (particularly small churches) are struggling post-pandemic and as President Kennedy said, "When the going gets tough, the tough get going." And America is a land of great opportunity. God bless America!
Now feel free to engage in last wordism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:02, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:"Goodness is relative." Ah, moral relativism, eh? I wonder what the renowned Andrew Layton Schlafly would think about that. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:11, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::LT, come on. You can't have good unless there is evil. Furthermore, Jesus himself said there is going to be gradations of punishment as far as Hell. Therefore, there is a continuum when it comes to goodness and evil with God being absolute goodness. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:41, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::''Set your minds on things that are above'' - Col 3:2. But we'll gladly make you Conservapedia's resident expert on [[demonology]] whether you want the title or not. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:46, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::Okay, I see your broad emphasis, Conservative. My point was more that intrinsic moral standards, in of themselves, shouldn't be applied excessively in relative terms. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 16:24, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
Look, I read your piece here: [[Irritating an opponent (military and political tactic)]] and all you other stuff. You're not fooling anybody. And yes, your [[racist]] attitude's do irritate the crap out of me, especially given your username on [[Conservapedia]]
I am about to suggest to Andy that you be forced to give up that username, cause you have not lived up to it. And if a petition needs to be circulated to back up the evidence, that could happen, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:12, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:To be para-Machiavellianially, Mearsheimerian-grounded in realism, I don't think neither you or I have any influence on Andy's decisions to the extent that Conservative does. The constant three-way battles among us probably aren't approved by Andy anyways. At the end of the day, while I may also agree that Conservative hasn't fully lived up to the reputation of his username, I don't concur with changing it unilaterally without his consent. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:20, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:And I strongly disagree that Conservative is racist. He may come off foolish sometimes, but he doesn't hold racial prejudices. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:22, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::LT, I am glad you liked the Somalian music on my user page. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
::::Yeah, your linked music was interesting. Not the type I usually listen to, though it has a unique flavor to it. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 16:24, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::Andy has got to know the man has psychotic breaks and is motivated by maliciousness and vendettas. Andy is a lawyer, after all. This stuff is right up his ally. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:29, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::''Yawn'', my daily life is motivated by vendettas too. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:32, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::OMG! I'm surrounded! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:38, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
This is totally foolish. RobS droning on and making up fantasies of a pastor marrying a drag queen. This is a total waste of time and I agree with LT concerning RobSmith's motivations.
Best wishes on your petition drive RobSmith. Godspeed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:52, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Hey, that's what I heard. I tried to make sense of it, but didn't want to interrupt you and shout, 'okay, I've heard enough.' If it wasn't a psychotic break on your part (entirely plausible) it was an elaborate trolling event (again, entirely plausible). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:24, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Nonetheless, the mystery remains in my mind (and probably Andy, too) why you feel obligated to support yourself and your [[gay married]] preacher and partner? And why you felt this so important to call me up and tell me.
:I'm leaning toward a two-hour trolling event, and not necessarily a psychotic break, however the latter cannot be ruled out. Nor a combination by degrees of the two. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:26, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
===Ah Ha!===
Caught User:Conservative in another trolling lie, this time allegeldy to Andy, as well.
The email dated September 20 reads:
:"And I would like to prevent my pastor from retiring and marry that Christian sweetheart so I have a sense of urgency now. "
Whereas above he posts:
:"my pastor is married!" [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Essay:_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future&diff=1984951&oldid=1984950]
So why was this phone call so important? "I would like to prevent my pastor from retiring and marry that Christian sweetheart". It sounds like User:Conservative is caught in a bi-sexual love triangle and is trying to prevent his paster from marrying someone else. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:43, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Love triangle.PNG]]
{{Clear}}
This is nuts. My pastor is happily married.
And I just talked to an acquaintance in my neighborhood who is looking for a church and he is going to attend my church this Sunday. In addition, I recommended to my pastor that he have a regularly scheduled "invite a friend to church day" which is an idea that he very much likes.
And best wishes on your petition drive to get me de-sysoped and stripped of my username User: Conservative. By the way, what color is the sky in your world?. The only thing worse that a Machiavellian fanboy is an incompetent Machiavellian fanboy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:04, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:This is why I lean toward a psychotic trolling prank: He forgot from yesterday to today that he told Andy & me he was trying to prevent his pastor from marrying. Left unanswered is, why he feels an obligation to support the three of them? And why should any of us care? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:09, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::Now, one can argue that there are two interpretations:
:::(1) he was trying to prevent his pastor from retiring and marrying;
:::(2) he was trying to prevent his pastor from retiring but also, with his $150k job, help the paster get married.
::Either way he's caught in a lie about the marital status of his paster and his sense of "urgency". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::No, RobS. LT hit the nail on the head when he wrote that your "daily life is motivated by vendettas".
:::And I want no part of it so I am not going to get sucked in your inane drama. I am going to stick to the basics of faith, work, family, friends, community and doing good works and not get bogged down in your bitterness. I am very content with my life and it's very evident that you aren't. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:19, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::I think you misread that - he said your and his daily life is motivated by vendetta.
::::I want no part of your bi-sexual trolling life, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:22, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, a competent person of high character who has a good case would simply write counter essays such as [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]] or [[Essay: Why America is not great]]. I would have some respect for that even if I disagreed with it.
But this is pathetic and lacks [[machismo]].
And I know that you are very angry about it, but I have decided to move on and cease communication with you which [[User: SamHB]] and other Conservapedians are recommending that I do.
User: SamHB wrote: "Now let me get to the point for real. Why do you continue engaging with this person?? ...You have better things to do than bang your head against the wall. SamHB (talk) 11:49, July 28, 2023 (EDT)"
I have raised my time management standards and unfortunately for you wasting my time further communicating with you is not one of my priorities.
Bye. Unfortunately, it's come to this point. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:46, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:In a sense, yes: marking ''essays'' for deletion seems a manifestation less of machismo and more of low-quality adminship. Detailed, well-sourced criticism of Putin is not the equivalent of throwing fascist salutes. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 16:44, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
It's all on the table there for anyone to see. You're nuts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:52, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
I have read AceMcWicked's summaries of his interactions with you. He probably has spent more time with you than anyone else over the past 16 years (which is why I suspect you've latched onto me, since Ace dumped you). And I think Ace knows User:Conservative best. He even comes to User:Conservative's defense when people start ridiculing him at talk/WIGO and he says he feels sorry for User:Conservative. The worst he'll say now is "what a pathetic little man." I'm getting convinced. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:57, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:RobSmith, you told me that you have little knowledge of psychology. And now you are trying to give me some kind of diagnosis of my mental state. You are being inconsistent.
:And Ace McWicked appears to be a divorced alcoholic who is an atheist who sleeps around with a lot of women and he recently claimed that he died due to some drug he took (If I recall correctly, it was a case of illegal drug use which required paramedics). Not exactly someone I would bring to a witness stand in a court of law or that I would bring as a witness to Conservapedia. But please feel free to drone on and on and on. Nobody cares about your vendettas - especially me. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:11, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::"''claimed that he died''" I don't even know where to begin. [https://www.clipartmax.com/png/middle/191-1912023_facepalm-emoticon-smiley-emoji-facebook-emoticon-palm-face.png] —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 17:15, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
User:Conservative's detailed description of Ace's personal life (he left out the French Fry eating), my suspicions are true. Ace knows and understands as much about User:Conservative as User:Conservative knows and understands Ace. And it further adds to my suspicions that User:Conservative is acting like a jilted lover after Ace cut him off completely, is now clinging to me to give his life some purpose and meaning.. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:30, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Hey, if you want, tell him to cling to me instead then. I'm more than happy to debate theology with him. :) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 17:31, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::Did you hear that that User:Conservative? take your jilted love affair with Ace off me and put it on LT, ok? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:36, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::Yeah, go ahead and clog up my user talk page as well as my email and the Skype DM with all you want about your new theological positions, so I have new material to debunk. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 17:39, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
==Incessant trolling (Part II)==
==Incessant trolling (Part II)==