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::TL;DR. 2,800 bytes of [[spam]]. You should learn to interact with other editors civilly. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]} 10:31, May 19, 2024 (EDT)

::While among countries with a sub-replacement level of births, it is true that Hungary/Poland have been more resistant to immigration, pressure from the highly influential business classes and the pension system needing workers will build up and will have to be paid attention to as companies needing workers and the outcry caused by old people being homeless due to an inadequate pension system would cause a huge amount of political pressure to politicians.

Furthermore, in 2022, Pew Research reported: "Looking at the experience of 80 countries, we find that the share of people who were raised as Christians and switch away from Christianity has not risen much above 50% anywhere, even in highly secular Western European countries. For American Christians concerned about these trends, that could be the demographic good news of the day. If there truly is a floor under Christian retention rates, the net movement from the ranks of Christian to the ranks of the religiously unaffiliated eventually may stop."[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/29/religious-switching-patterns-will-help-determine-christianitys-course-in-u-s/]

::Furthermore, in 2022, Pew Research reported: "Looking at the experience of 80 countries, we find that the share of people who were raised as Christians and switch away from Christianity has not risen much above 50% anywhere, even in highly secular Western European countries. For American Christians concerned about these trends, that could be the demographic good news of the day. If there truly is a floor under Christian retention rates, the net movement from the ranks of Christian to the ranks of the religiously unaffiliated eventually may stop."[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/29/religious-switching-patterns-will-help-determine-christianitys-course-in-u-s/]

Desecularization caused by the religious having more kids within a country doesn't happen overnight, but it is powerful (American Amish double every 20 years).  

:::Desecularization caused by the religious having more kids within a country doesn't happen overnight, but it is powerful (American Amish double every 20 years).

Steve Turley indicates:

:::Steve Turley indicates:

:"In Europe, immigration is making the continent more religiously conservative, not less; in fact, London and Paris are some of the most religiously dense areas within their respective populations. In Britain, for example, Ultra-Orthodox or Haredi Jews constitute only 17 percent of the Jewish population but account for 75 percent of Jewish births. And in Israel, Haredi schoolchildren have gone from comprising a few percent to nearly a third of all Jewish pupils in a matter of five decades, and are poised to represent the majority of the Jewish population by 2050. Since 1970, charismatic Christians in Europe have expanded steadily at a rate of 4 percent per year, in step with Muslim growth. Currently, Laestadian Lutherans in Finland and Holland’s Orthodox Calvinists have a fertility advantage over their wider secular populations of 4:1 and 2:1 respectively.

:::"In Europe, immigration is making the continent more religiously conservative, not less; in fact, London and Paris are some of the most religiously dense areas within their respective populations. In Britain, for example, Ultra-Orthodox or Haredi Jews constitute only 17 percent of the Jewish population but account for 75 percent of Jewish births. And in Israel, Haredi schoolchildren have gone from comprising a few percent to nearly a third of all Jewish pupils in a matter of five decades, and are poised to represent the majority of the Jewish population by 2050. Since 1970, charismatic Christians in Europe have expanded steadily at a rate of 4 percent per year, in step with Muslim growth. Currently, Laestadian Lutherans in Finland and Holland’s Orthodox Calvinists have a fertility advantage over their wider secular populations of 4:1 and 2:1 respectively.

:In contrast, Kaufmann’s data projects that secularists, who consistently exemplify a low fertility rate of around 1.5 (significantly below the replacement level of 2.1), will begin a steady decline '''after 2030 to a mere 14 to 15 percent of the American population. Similar projections apply to Europe as well.''' Kaufmann thus appears to have identified what he calls "the soft underbelly of secularism," namely, demography. This is because secular liberalism entails its own “demographic contradiction,” the affirmation of the sovereign individual devoid of the restraints of classical moral structures necessitates the freedom not to reproduce. The link between sex and procreation having been broken, modernist reproduction translates into mere personal preference. It thus turns out that the radical individualism so celebrated and revered by contemporary secular propagandists is in fact the agent by which their ideology implodes (Bolding added for emphasis)."

::::In contrast, Kaufmann’s data projects that secularists, who consistently exemplify a low fertility rate of around 1.5 (significantly below the replacement level of 2.1), will begin a steady decline '''after 2030 to a mere 14 to 15 percent of the American population. Similar projections apply to Europe as well.''' Kaufmann thus appears to have identified what he calls "the soft underbelly of secularism," namely, demography. This is because secular liberalism entails its own “demographic contradiction,” the affirmation of the sovereign individual devoid of the restraints of classical moral structures necessitates the freedom not to reproduce. The link between sex and procreation having been broken, modernist reproduction translates into mere personal preference. It thus turns out that the radical individualism so celebrated and revered by contemporary secular propagandists is in fact the agent by which their ideology implodes (Bolding added for emphasis)."

[[Eric Kaufmann]] (and other scholars) predict a plateauing of the secular population happening '''by 2050 or sooner''' in the West and religious fundamentalism growing in the world.[https://www.sneps.net/RD/uploads/1-Shall%20the%20Religious%20Inherit%20the%20Earth.pdf][https://www.sneps.net/RD/uploads/1-Shall%20the%20Religious%20Inherit%20the%20Earth.pdf] '''Obviously, it is not 2050 yet.'''

:::[[Eric Kaufmann]] (and other scholars) predict a plateauing of the secular population happening '''by 2050 or sooner''' in the West and religious fundamentalism growing in the world.[https://www.sneps.net/RD/uploads/1-Shall%20the%20Religious%20Inherit%20the%20Earth.pdf][https://www.sneps.net/RD/uploads/1-Shall%20the%20Religious%20Inherit%20the%20Earth.pdf] '''Obviously, it is not 2050 yet.'''

Regarding religious fundamentalism, Kaufman wrote: "This much seems certain: without a new [secular liberal] ideology to inspire social cohesion, fundamentalism cannot be stopped. The religious shall inherit the earth."[https://web.archive.org/web/20180828015720/https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/the-stork-theory/]

::Regarding religious fundamentalism, Kaufman wrote: "This much seems certain: without a new [secular liberal] ideology to inspire social cohesion, fundamentalism cannot be stopped. The religious shall inherit the earth."[https://web.archive.org/web/20180828015720/https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/the-stork-theory/]

So far, Kaufmann has been right on the money in terms of forecasting.  For example, on the abortion issue, Kaufmann stated about the USA: "In recent decades, white secularism has surged, but Latino and Asian religious immigration has taken up the slack, keeping secularism at bay. Across denominations, the fertility advantage of religious fundamentalists of all colours is significant and growing. '''After 2020''', their demographic weight will begin to tip the balance in the culture wars towards the conservative side, ramping up pressure on hot-button issues such as abortion. By the end of the century, three quarters of America may be pro-life. Their activism will leap over the borders of the 'Redeemer Nation' to evangelize the world. Already, the rise of the World Congress of Families has launched a global religious right, its arms stretching across the bloody lines of the War on Terror to embrace the entire Abrahamic family." (bolding added for emphasis).[https://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/05/why-is-year-2020-key-year-for-christian.html]

'''Question:'''  When was Roe vs. Wade overturned? It was overturned in 2022. When did Kaufmann say that demographic weight of pro-life people would start tipping the political scale. If you look above, he said "after 2020". So Kaufmann was excellent at forecasting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:01, May 19, 2024 (EDT)

 

::'''Question:'''  When was Roe vs. Wade overturned? It was overturned in 2022. When did Kaufmann say that demographic weight of pro-life people would start tipping the political scale. If you look above, he said "after 2020". So Kaufmann was excellent at forecasting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:59, May 19, 2024 (EDT)