Changes

::::::::I've always found that to be weak.  Would it make more sense if Cain believed he was forever going to be an only child?  Worse yet, he has no knowledge of what is being said, who is growing up that will hate him and hunt him, etc.  As the years would go on, would his next day be his last from a blow he never even knows is coming? [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)  

::::::::I've always found that to be weak.  Would it make more sense if Cain believed he was forever going to be an only child?  Worse yet, he has no knowledge of what is being said, who is growing up that will hate him and hunt him, etc.  As the years would go on, would his next day be his last from a blow he never even knows is coming? [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)  

:::::::::I don't understand your argument.  The KJV in 4:13 has Cain saying,  

:::::::::I don't understand your argument.  The KJV in 4:13 has Cain saying,  

::::::::::"Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me."  And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

::::::::::"Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me."  And the LORD said unto him, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold."  And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

:::::::::Cain's remarks indicate some knowledge on his part that there are people out there who will kill him if they find him -- because why would he be afraid of things that didn't exist?  And Yahweh's actions (protecting Cain with a mark and promising vengence on whoever harms him) indicate that there was somebody to protect Cain from, who would be dissuaded by the mark, and vengence taken upon them if they hurt him.  How does this passage make any sense without other people in the world?  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 20:35, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

:::::::::Cain's remarks indicate some knowledge on his part that there are people out there who will kill him if they find him -- because why would he be afraid of things that didn't exist?  And Yahweh's actions (protecting Cain with a mark and promising vengence on whoever harms him) indicate that there was somebody to protect Cain from, who would be dissuaded by the mark, and vengence taken upon them if they hurt him.  How does this passage make any sense without other people in the world?  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 20:35, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

::::::''the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out?''

::::::''the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out?''

:::::::The Bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and the Earth, but Yahweh Elohim (The Lord of the Gods) created Adam and Eve.  The word Elohim is used throughout the first chapter, and word(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the second chapter.  The difference is so striking that some people think the two chapters are two different creation accounts.  I just think the story is focusing in from the general to the particular -- from the gods to the Lord of the Gods.  Check out the book of Jubilees and the book of Enoch for some interesting accounts of this time-period.  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

:::::::The Bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and the Earth, but Yahweh Elohim (The Lord of the Gods) created Adam and Eve.  The word Elohim is used throughout the first chapter, and word(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the second chapter.  The difference is so striking that some people think the two chapters are two different creation accounts.  I just think the story is focusing in from the general to the particular -- from the gods to the Lord of the Gods.  Check out the book of Jubilees and the book of Enoch for some interesting accounts of this time-period.  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

::::::::You are aware there is a theology called Christianity, correct?  As the Bible goes on, it is clear there is only one God.  In the New Testament, we get the triune nature. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

::::::::You are aware there is a theology called Christianity, correct?  As the Bible goes on, it is clear there is only one God.  In the New Testament, we get the triune nature. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

:::::::::Ah, but my friend, Genesis wasn't written by Christians:).  Even so, consider Paul acknowledging the existence of many gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many), But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."  1 Cor 8:5-6.  Also: "Among the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O Lord; neither [are there any works] like unto thy works."  Ps 86:8; "For you, O Lord, are most high over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods."  97:9; "Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess."  Judges 11:24.  And who were the Bene Elohim who married the human women, resulting in Giants, per Genesis?  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 20:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

:::::::::Ah, but my friend, Genesis wasn't written by Christians:).  Even so, consider Paul acknowledging the existence of many gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many), But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."  1 Cor 8:5-6.  Also: "Among the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O Lord; neither [are there any works] like unto thy works."  Ps 86:8; "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods.'"  Psalm 82:1.  "For you, O Lord, are most high over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods."  97:9; "Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess."  Judges 11:24.  And who were the Bene Elohim who married the human women, resulting in Giants, per Genesis? They show up again in the conversations between God and Satan in Job -- check it out. [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 20:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)