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So there are none. Evolutionists insist that scientific facts are exclusively determined by experimentation; yet the main assertion of ToE (= speciation) has no breeding experiments to justify its reason for being? Are you saying it happens behind our backs in the wild? I ask again, Joshua, how many scientific experiments have breached genetic homeostasis? We know Darwin withdrew the only example of macroevolution from the second  edition ''Origin of Species'' (bears to whales) leaving his book with zero content about the main claim of evolutionary theory (macroevolution). I would appreciate if you would just answer the question - thanks.

So there are none. Evolutionists insist that scientific facts are exclusively determined by experimentation; yet the main assertion of ToE (= speciation) has no breeding experiments to justify its reason for being? Are you saying it happens behind our backs in the wild? I ask again, Joshua, how many scientific experiments have breached genetic homeostasis? We know Darwin withdrew the only example of macroevolution from the second  edition ''Origin of Species'' (bears to whales) leaving his book with zero content about the main claim of evolutionary theory (macroevolution). I would appreciate if you would just answer the question - thanks. [[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 12:23, 8 March 2007 (EST)

[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 12:23, 8 March 2007 (EST)

: Ray, the question was completely and utterly irrelevant, but if you insist I'll answer anyways(why I'm bothering I don't know)- see for example Dobzhansky Pavlovsky's 1971 paper- "An experimentally created incipient species of Drosophila" Nature  23:289-292. Note furthermore, that speciation is so well demonstrated that AIG, one of the world's largest creationist ministries lists claiming speciation has not occured as an example of an argument that creationists should ''not'' use.[http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp]. In any event, this is all not germane to my original point- that the claim made here that mutation cannot increase genetic material is so wrong that even AIG agrees that that is inaccurate. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 13:04, 8 March 2007 (EST)

::Are you claiming that speciesiation has never been observed in the lab? [[User:Nematocyte|Nematocyte]] 12:37, 8 March 2007 (EST)

::Are you claiming that speciesiation has never been observed in the lab? [[User:Nematocyte|Nematocyte]] 12:37, 8 March 2007 (EST)