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Created page with "==Derek Chauvin trial== Some people do not believe that Derek Chauvin received a fair trial. I count myself among that number. File:Sorry I became exa..."
==Derek Chauvin trial==
Some people do not believe that [[Chauvin trial bias|Derek Chauvin received a fair trial]]. I count myself among that number.
[[File:Sorry I became exasperarated during our call.PNG|right|600px|thumb|The testimony of two witnesses establishes a fact - Deut. 19:15.]]
To demonstrate the sheer futility of trying to have a conversation with some people whose brains are embalmed with ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity, I will try to thumbnail a telephone conversation I had with someone who called me up to tell me what a bad guy Derek Chauvin was during Chauvin's trial.
The caller alleged, which I have no reason to doubt, that a few years back he was in Minneapolis on business and evidently was staying in or near Derek Chauvin's beat. Chauvin was alleged to have accosted him once or twice, as I recall, which I believe is entirely plausible. The caller claimed, the first time was for J-walking, and the second time was at a convenience store after dark about 10 o'clock at night in a high crime area. These he alleged were proof positive that Chauvin was a bad guy with no respect for other people's rights.
Why the caller called me with this information, I have no idea; possibly cause I may have voiced criticism of the trial in [[CP]]. But evidently, I was suppose to agree with him, based upon his word, that Chauvin was not only just a bad guy, but a bad guy toward white people, as well.
I attempted to point out, that in police work, what is considered good police work in an assigned area is for the cop to familiarize himself with the people living in the area he is assigned to, and the people he is suppose to protect - routine police work, rather than sitting on their butt and paying no attention to what is happening on their beat; and when a strange face shows up in a high crime, drug infested area (particularly from out-of-state, as allegedly, as I recall, the "victim" in this case was carded and ID'd with an out-of-state driver license when busted earlier for J-walking) after dark at a known drug trafficking location. "NO! NO! NO!", he began screaming into the phone, he didn't want to hear anymore of it. His lawbreaking for J-walking was entirely justified, and Chauvin had violated ''his'' rights by busting him, ID'ing him, and ''not'' writing him a ticket for the violation. Chauvin was a bad guy, even to white people, and that was that. I was suppose to agree with him, and that was that.
Needless to say, even though he never allowed me to finish my spiel about what is considered "good police work" because of his screaming at me on the phone, I began to doubt if live phone contact was any more rational than interacting with him on the internet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)
<small>Disclosure: I have a brother who lives three blocks from where the [[George Floyd]] incident took place, and I myself in the 1980s lived briefly behind the Cub Food Store that was burnt down in the riots. The police precinct station that was burnt down was in that immediate vicinity as well, but I think it must've been built many years after I left. So I am well enough familiar with the area of Chauvin's beat, and where the caller was accosted by Chauvin twice.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)</small>
::I was never accosted by the now ex-policeman Derek Chauvin and the accuracy of the other material above was also poor (Likely intentionally poor in some instances or in some cases the result of poor listening skills). I did go to convenience store after midnight (Sometimes I returned from work late due to interstate travel and perhaps this was one of those times). Chauvin said to me inside the convenience store, "Kind of late to be out isn't?". I politely and assertively told him, "No.". By the way, last time I checked, convenience stores are lawful businesses that often operate past midnight! Chauvin was very fortunate that I sometimes worked late as policemen are paid out of taxes!
::Also, at the time I was questioned by Derek Chauvin, I was a top 10% performer for an independent contractor position I did for a national company. That is why the president of the company asked me to stop by his office when I was working in his state as I made him a lot of money. Sometimes being a top performer requires one to work late. Apparently, Chauvin is not aware of this, despite working as a policeman where "collars" are often done past midnight! Well, Chauvin has plenty of time now to reflect on the fact that the United States is not a police state because Chauvin is in prison! On the other hand, I am as free as a bird!
::Lastly, upon further reflection, when Chauvin asked me, "Kind of late to be out?", I shouldn't have given him a polite, brief, and assertive "no". God bless America. God bless the Bill of Rights. And thank God for the 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I should have decided to ignore him and remain silent. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE Don't talk to the police!], Regent University School of Law. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:05, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::By the way, I have a person in my family who was a highly ranked police offer. He told me that Derek Chauvin could have done a much better job as far as his arrest of George Floyd as far as his use of force. And a jury of his peers convicted Derek Chauvin. While I believe the trial was not perfect, I believe my relative was correct and he should know as he supervised many police officers and had a lot of collars in a high crime area of the city he was a policeman in. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:27, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::If you weren't hanging out in a high crime area past midnite in Minneapolis, after the cop knew you weren't a resident of the neighborhood it was his duty to protect, you wouldn't have had a run in with him.
::::Bottomline (like so many other things) you don't know what good police work is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:35, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::Was I hanging out in a high crime area or was a simply making a quick visit to a convenience store after my workday? And I didn't have a "run in" with him at the time. I simply replied "No" to him and I didn't even have to do that according to 5th Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:41, January 26, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Convict Derek Chauvin.png|400px|thumbnail|right|Convict Derek Chauvin]]
::::::According to you, you had 2 encounters with him on his beat, defending the people he was sworn to protect. You were an out-of-towner. That's called proactive police work when he spotted you violating the law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:45, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Given your multiple errant reporting of the events above (Some of which I believe was intentional), I have no intention of wasting time correcting all your errant reporting or comment on it further. The bottom line is that Chauvin is in jail and I am not! Also, you are the frequent yeller on phone calls and I am not! I will never talk to you on the phone again.
By the way, I trust my relative who was a highly ranked police officer about the poor conduct of Derek Chauvin (Chauvin had several reports of his bad behavior in his file before the George Floyd incident) over someone who praises the authoritarian/corrupt countries of China and Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:52, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:You can clarify matters now. Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking (in which he ID'd you as a nonresident out-of-towner and mercifully did not write a ticket) and a second encounter after midnite in a location the entire planet now knows to be a high crime, drug trafficking area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:10, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::I don't believe that Derek Chauvin ever asked me for my ID. In fact, I don't believe that he did. Either your memory is off or you are making this up. If you feel strongly about this matter and also believe Chauvin is an innocent man, I suggest you visit Chauvin in jail. Have you visited Chauvin in jail? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:02, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::You told me he detained you for J-walking, using the probable cause to ID you and find your out-of-state residence. If you failed to comply, you likely would have been arrested, placed in handcuffs, mugshot and fingerprinted until the MPD determined who you were and if you had warrants. Routine police work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:08, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::I never told you that. I do recall asking you twice during a phone to repeat a portion of a phone call because I didn't believe you were listening to me. You failed in both cases and couldn't repeat back what I said. I felt during the phone call that you wanted to monologue instead of dialogue. You are a poor listener. And you might have a poor memory as well. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::::You are [[trolling]] now.
::::::Answer the question: Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking and a second after midnite in a convenience store known to be in a high crime area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 19:06, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::Was the convenience store in a high-crime area? If it was such a high-crime area, then why was Derek Chauvin wasting his time asking a lawful convenience store customer if he thought it was too late to be out? A real cop would have been looking for actual criminals! Chauvin was a bad cop who thought we live in a police state and now he is in jail! Case closed! The jury has made its ruling! It is important for policeman to defend lawful businesses in their area - not needlessly hassle their lawful customers. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:16, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::Deny the fact that Derek Chauvin in jail and that I am not and lose all credibility! Being a Minnesotan, it's too bad that Derek Chauvin didn't practice [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice Minnesota nice] more often. If he did, he wouldn't be in prison! Police officers and people in general should endeavor to deescalate situations if possible and not escalate them. That is something that Derek Chauvin, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping do not understand. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:20, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::Answer the question: Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking and a second after midnite in a convenience store known to be in a high crime area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:24, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::After losing so many debates with me, you are very hungry for a debate win. You've been reduced to asking me about J walking and a ex-policeman who is now a convict asking me if it was too late for me to be out while I was in a convenience store. Sad! And it's not my debate prowess that caused me to win so many debates with you, it is the utter weakness of your political opinions! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===On the question of a pardon===
::::[https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pardon-derek-chauvin-george-floyd-2019970 Donald Trump has not pledged to Pardon Derek Chauvin Over George Floyd's Murder]. And Trump is a big supporter of the police! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:56, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::Yah, that was something I was just thinking about, too. Given the nature of the offense, a pardon is not off the table at the end of Trump's second term. Leonard Peltier, at the age of 80, sentence was just commuted by [[Biden]] for killing 2 [[FBI]] agents.
:::::Then we also have the case of [[Snowden]], who didn't kill anybody. With the release of the [[JFK]] files, when the entire planet discovers the preeminent power "for the foreseeable future" whacked its own president and our history has been one gigantic [[lie]], Snowden could be pardoned much sooner than at the end of Trump's term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 16:19, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::::That sounds like a conspiracy theory - especially since Trump agreed to release the JFK files. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:08, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::::We'll know after Trump releases the JFK files. Then you can tell the families of 58,000 [[Vietnam war]] dead how the lies of the [[US Government]] that killed their boys helped make America "the preeminent power for the foreseeable future". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:18, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===Off topic trolling===
The leader of Ukraine is a Jew. Putin used the Wagner Group during the war in Ukraine. One of the primary leaders of the group (who has a Nazi swastika on his neck) picked the name Wagner Group because the composer Richard Wagner was an anti-semite.
One of the big reasons that Putin invaded Ukraine was NOT denazification. Russia has recently had a big neo-nazi problem.[https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Russia%27s_neo-Nazi_problem_belies_one_of_Putin%27s_rationales_for_the_war_in_Ukraine]
The war in Ukraine violated Just War Theory and it caused a whole lot of Russians to needless lose their lives. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, January 26, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|center|650px|thumb|<center>'''<big>Doggie Doo Alert!</big>'''</center><br>A Doggie Doo Alert is issued by an antagonist as a [[good faith]] gesture to the protagonist that he has, or is about to, step into a pile of doggie doo doo if he wishes to proceed in a certain line of argument. ]]
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===Case closed on the editor's vindictiveness===
I believe the evidence presented here leads any rational, independent persons to conclude the editor in question maintains, as of January 2025, a [[vindictive]] attitude toward Mr. [[Derek Chauvin]] simply because he, Chauvin, in performance of his [[law enforcement]] duties ID'd the editor for J-walking (even though Chauvin did not cite the offender) but more importantly for asking him, "A little late to be out?" at a convenience store in a high crime area.
Personally, rather than plead the [[5th Amendment]] when interrogated by Chauvin at a known drug trafficking location, I would have responded simply, "Yes. It's scary". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:51, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:I don't recall Derek Chauvin ever asking me for my ID. In fact, I don't believe that he did. Either your memory is bad or you made this up. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:58, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::You told me he detained you for J-walking, using the [[probable cause]] to ID you and find your out-of-state residence. If you failed to comply, you likely would have been arrested, placed in handcuffs, mugshot and fingerprinted until the MPD determined who you were and if you had warrants. Routine police work. After identifying you as a non-resident visitor to his neighborhood beat, he released you without even writing a warning ticket for your traffic violation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::Vindictive? Your user page is absolutely obsessed with me. My user page makes no mention of you. I suggest you end your obsession with me. Take up some pleasant hobby. If only you were more like [[User: Karajou]] and had a hobby such as bagpipe playing (User: Karajou is a bagpipe player). Most guys who have obsessions have them about women. Stop being obsessed about a man! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:17, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::My user page highlights your ignorance and stupidity for [[spam]] and [[trolling]] on the subject of global politics, after months and months of being patient with it on talk pages across the wiki. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===More off-topic trolling===
::::Really? Who accurately predicted that China's economy would become worse and who predicted that China would become rich before it became old? Who told me that my prediction of China's upcoming worsening economy was errant and told me to watch some leftist video? Who cited a paid Chinese propagandist on MPR - namely Cyrus Janssen? Was that you? China now has a major property crisis, deflation and high youth unemployment.
::::And who told me that my prediction that Russia couldn't have a [[Guns and butter economic concept|guns and butter economy]] without inflation happening down the pike was wrong? And yet, the price of butter is so high in Russia that [https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575#:~:text=Stores%20lock%20it%20up%20in,inflation%20caused%20by%20international%20sanctions. the Russians are stealing butter]! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:24, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::These fantasy debates you have with other editors are just that - in your imagination.
:::::[[Spamming]] talk pages with so much [[crap]] no one has time, interest, or inclination to respond to is not "winning" a debate, except in your mind. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 19:46, January 26, 2025 (EST)
==Personal bias==
This edit appears to reflect a personal bias by the editor. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Derek_Chauvin&curid=163075&diff=2114285&oldid=2007615] The decision appears to be based on [[political]] considerations, and can be reversed at the end of Trump's term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 13:04, March 7, 2025 (EST)
Some people do not believe that [[Chauvin trial bias|Derek Chauvin received a fair trial]]. I count myself among that number.
[[File:Sorry I became exasperarated during our call.PNG|right|600px|thumb|The testimony of two witnesses establishes a fact - Deut. 19:15.]]
To demonstrate the sheer futility of trying to have a conversation with some people whose brains are embalmed with ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity, I will try to thumbnail a telephone conversation I had with someone who called me up to tell me what a bad guy Derek Chauvin was during Chauvin's trial.
The caller alleged, which I have no reason to doubt, that a few years back he was in Minneapolis on business and evidently was staying in or near Derek Chauvin's beat. Chauvin was alleged to have accosted him once or twice, as I recall, which I believe is entirely plausible. The caller claimed, the first time was for J-walking, and the second time was at a convenience store after dark about 10 o'clock at night in a high crime area. These he alleged were proof positive that Chauvin was a bad guy with no respect for other people's rights.
Why the caller called me with this information, I have no idea; possibly cause I may have voiced criticism of the trial in [[CP]]. But evidently, I was suppose to agree with him, based upon his word, that Chauvin was not only just a bad guy, but a bad guy toward white people, as well.
I attempted to point out, that in police work, what is considered good police work in an assigned area is for the cop to familiarize himself with the people living in the area he is assigned to, and the people he is suppose to protect - routine police work, rather than sitting on their butt and paying no attention to what is happening on their beat; and when a strange face shows up in a high crime, drug infested area (particularly from out-of-state, as allegedly, as I recall, the "victim" in this case was carded and ID'd with an out-of-state driver license when busted earlier for J-walking) after dark at a known drug trafficking location. "NO! NO! NO!", he began screaming into the phone, he didn't want to hear anymore of it. His lawbreaking for J-walking was entirely justified, and Chauvin had violated ''his'' rights by busting him, ID'ing him, and ''not'' writing him a ticket for the violation. Chauvin was a bad guy, even to white people, and that was that. I was suppose to agree with him, and that was that.
Needless to say, even though he never allowed me to finish my spiel about what is considered "good police work" because of his screaming at me on the phone, I began to doubt if live phone contact was any more rational than interacting with him on the internet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)
<small>Disclosure: I have a brother who lives three blocks from where the [[George Floyd]] incident took place, and I myself in the 1980s lived briefly behind the Cub Food Store that was burnt down in the riots. The police precinct station that was burnt down was in that immediate vicinity as well, but I think it must've been built many years after I left. So I am well enough familiar with the area of Chauvin's beat, and where the caller was accosted by Chauvin twice.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)</small>
::I was never accosted by the now ex-policeman Derek Chauvin and the accuracy of the other material above was also poor (Likely intentionally poor in some instances or in some cases the result of poor listening skills). I did go to convenience store after midnight (Sometimes I returned from work late due to interstate travel and perhaps this was one of those times). Chauvin said to me inside the convenience store, "Kind of late to be out isn't?". I politely and assertively told him, "No.". By the way, last time I checked, convenience stores are lawful businesses that often operate past midnight! Chauvin was very fortunate that I sometimes worked late as policemen are paid out of taxes!
::Also, at the time I was questioned by Derek Chauvin, I was a top 10% performer for an independent contractor position I did for a national company. That is why the president of the company asked me to stop by his office when I was working in his state as I made him a lot of money. Sometimes being a top performer requires one to work late. Apparently, Chauvin is not aware of this, despite working as a policeman where "collars" are often done past midnight! Well, Chauvin has plenty of time now to reflect on the fact that the United States is not a police state because Chauvin is in prison! On the other hand, I am as free as a bird!
::Lastly, upon further reflection, when Chauvin asked me, "Kind of late to be out?", I shouldn't have given him a polite, brief, and assertive "no". God bless America. God bless the Bill of Rights. And thank God for the 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I should have decided to ignore him and remain silent. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE Don't talk to the police!], Regent University School of Law. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:05, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::By the way, I have a person in my family who was a highly ranked police offer. He told me that Derek Chauvin could have done a much better job as far as his arrest of George Floyd as far as his use of force. And a jury of his peers convicted Derek Chauvin. While I believe the trial was not perfect, I believe my relative was correct and he should know as he supervised many police officers and had a lot of collars in a high crime area of the city he was a policeman in. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:27, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::If you weren't hanging out in a high crime area past midnite in Minneapolis, after the cop knew you weren't a resident of the neighborhood it was his duty to protect, you wouldn't have had a run in with him.
::::Bottomline (like so many other things) you don't know what good police work is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:35, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::Was I hanging out in a high crime area or was a simply making a quick visit to a convenience store after my workday? And I didn't have a "run in" with him at the time. I simply replied "No" to him and I didn't even have to do that according to 5th Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:41, January 26, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Convict Derek Chauvin.png|400px|thumbnail|right|Convict Derek Chauvin]]
::::::According to you, you had 2 encounters with him on his beat, defending the people he was sworn to protect. You were an out-of-towner. That's called proactive police work when he spotted you violating the law. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 14:45, January 26, 2025 (EST)
Given your multiple errant reporting of the events above (Some of which I believe was intentional), I have no intention of wasting time correcting all your errant reporting or comment on it further. The bottom line is that Chauvin is in jail and I am not! Also, you are the frequent yeller on phone calls and I am not! I will never talk to you on the phone again.
By the way, I trust my relative who was a highly ranked police officer about the poor conduct of Derek Chauvin (Chauvin had several reports of his bad behavior in his file before the George Floyd incident) over someone who praises the authoritarian/corrupt countries of China and Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:52, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:You can clarify matters now. Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking (in which he ID'd you as a nonresident out-of-towner and mercifully did not write a ticket) and a second encounter after midnite in a location the entire planet now knows to be a high crime, drug trafficking area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:10, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::I don't believe that Derek Chauvin ever asked me for my ID. In fact, I don't believe that he did. Either your memory is off or you are making this up. If you feel strongly about this matter and also believe Chauvin is an innocent man, I suggest you visit Chauvin in jail. Have you visited Chauvin in jail? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:02, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::You told me he detained you for J-walking, using the probable cause to ID you and find your out-of-state residence. If you failed to comply, you likely would have been arrested, placed in handcuffs, mugshot and fingerprinted until the MPD determined who you were and if you had warrants. Routine police work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:08, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::I never told you that. I do recall asking you twice during a phone to repeat a portion of a phone call because I didn't believe you were listening to me. You failed in both cases and couldn't repeat back what I said. I felt during the phone call that you wanted to monologue instead of dialogue. You are a poor listener. And you might have a poor memory as well. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::::You are [[trolling]] now.
::::::Answer the question: Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking and a second after midnite in a convenience store known to be in a high crime area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 19:06, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::Was the convenience store in a high-crime area? If it was such a high-crime area, then why was Derek Chauvin wasting his time asking a lawful convenience store customer if he thought it was too late to be out? A real cop would have been looking for actual criminals! Chauvin was a bad cop who thought we live in a police state and now he is in jail! Case closed! The jury has made its ruling! It is important for policeman to defend lawful businesses in their area - not needlessly hassle their lawful customers. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:16, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::Deny the fact that Derek Chauvin in jail and that I am not and lose all credibility! Being a Minnesotan, it's too bad that Derek Chauvin didn't practice [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice Minnesota nice] more often. If he did, he wouldn't be in prison! Police officers and people in general should endeavor to deescalate situations if possible and not escalate them. That is something that Derek Chauvin, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping do not understand. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:20, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::Answer the question: Did you have 2 encounters with Chauvin, one for J-walking and a second after midnite in a convenience store known to be in a high crime area? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:24, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::After losing so many debates with me, you are very hungry for a debate win. You've been reduced to asking me about J walking and a ex-policeman who is now a convict asking me if it was too late for me to be out while I was in a convenience store. Sad! And it's not my debate prowess that caused me to win so many debates with you, it is the utter weakness of your political opinions! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===On the question of a pardon===
::::[https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pardon-derek-chauvin-george-floyd-2019970 Donald Trump has not pledged to Pardon Derek Chauvin Over George Floyd's Murder]. And Trump is a big supporter of the police! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:56, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::Yah, that was something I was just thinking about, too. Given the nature of the offense, a pardon is not off the table at the end of Trump's second term. Leonard Peltier, at the age of 80, sentence was just commuted by [[Biden]] for killing 2 [[FBI]] agents.
:::::Then we also have the case of [[Snowden]], who didn't kill anybody. With the release of the [[JFK]] files, when the entire planet discovers the preeminent power "for the foreseeable future" whacked its own president and our history has been one gigantic [[lie]], Snowden could be pardoned much sooner than at the end of Trump's term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 16:19, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::::::That sounds like a conspiracy theory - especially since Trump agreed to release the JFK files. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:08, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::::We'll know after Trump releases the JFK files. Then you can tell the families of 58,000 [[Vietnam war]] dead how the lies of the [[US Government]] that killed their boys helped make America "the preeminent power for the foreseeable future". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:18, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===Off topic trolling===
The leader of Ukraine is a Jew. Putin used the Wagner Group during the war in Ukraine. One of the primary leaders of the group (who has a Nazi swastika on his neck) picked the name Wagner Group because the composer Richard Wagner was an anti-semite.
One of the big reasons that Putin invaded Ukraine was NOT denazification. Russia has recently had a big neo-nazi problem.[https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Russia%27s_neo-Nazi_problem_belies_one_of_Putin%27s_rationales_for_the_war_in_Ukraine]
The war in Ukraine violated Just War Theory and it caused a whole lot of Russians to needless lose their lives. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, January 26, 2025 (EST)
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===Case closed on the editor's vindictiveness===
I believe the evidence presented here leads any rational, independent persons to conclude the editor in question maintains, as of January 2025, a [[vindictive]] attitude toward Mr. [[Derek Chauvin]] simply because he, Chauvin, in performance of his [[law enforcement]] duties ID'd the editor for J-walking (even though Chauvin did not cite the offender) but more importantly for asking him, "A little late to be out?" at a convenience store in a high crime area.
Personally, rather than plead the [[5th Amendment]] when interrogated by Chauvin at a known drug trafficking location, I would have responded simply, "Yes. It's scary". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:51, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:I don't recall Derek Chauvin ever asking me for my ID. In fact, I don't believe that he did. Either your memory is bad or you made this up. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:58, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::You told me he detained you for J-walking, using the [[probable cause]] to ID you and find your out-of-state residence. If you failed to comply, you likely would have been arrested, placed in handcuffs, mugshot and fingerprinted until the MPD determined who you were and if you had warrants. Routine police work. After identifying you as a non-resident visitor to his neighborhood beat, he released you without even writing a warning ticket for your traffic violation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
::Vindictive? Your user page is absolutely obsessed with me. My user page makes no mention of you. I suggest you end your obsession with me. Take up some pleasant hobby. If only you were more like [[User: Karajou]] and had a hobby such as bagpipe playing (User: Karajou is a bagpipe player). Most guys who have obsessions have them about women. Stop being obsessed about a man! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:17, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::My user page highlights your ignorance and stupidity for [[spam]] and [[trolling]] on the subject of global politics, after months and months of being patient with it on talk pages across the wiki. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 18:13, January 26, 2025 (EST)
===More off-topic trolling===
::::Really? Who accurately predicted that China's economy would become worse and who predicted that China would become rich before it became old? Who told me that my prediction of China's upcoming worsening economy was errant and told me to watch some leftist video? Who cited a paid Chinese propagandist on MPR - namely Cyrus Janssen? Was that you? China now has a major property crisis, deflation and high youth unemployment.
::::And who told me that my prediction that Russia couldn't have a [[Guns and butter economic concept|guns and butter economy]] without inflation happening down the pike was wrong? And yet, the price of butter is so high in Russia that [https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575#:~:text=Stores%20lock%20it%20up%20in,inflation%20caused%20by%20international%20sanctions. the Russians are stealing butter]! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:24, January 26, 2025 (EST)
:::::These fantasy debates you have with other editors are just that - in your imagination.
:::::[[Spamming]] talk pages with so much [[crap]] no one has time, interest, or inclination to respond to is not "winning" a debate, except in your mind. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 19:46, January 26, 2025 (EST)
==Personal bias==
This edit appears to reflect a personal bias by the editor. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Derek_Chauvin&curid=163075&diff=2114285&oldid=2007615] The decision appears to be based on [[political]] considerations, and can be reversed at the end of Trump's term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]</sup> 13:04, March 7, 2025 (EST)