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==Important to Distinguish==
 
==Important to Distinguish==
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It is important to distinguish these groups from the [[Eastern Catholic]] churches which—while they follow Eastern rather than Roman traditions—do so as part of the [[Roman Catholic Church]]; from groups such as [[Anglo-Catholics]] who remain part of the [[Anglican]] Churches but see Anglicanism as closer to Catholicism than Protestantism; and from a similar movement among the [[Lutheran]] churches known as [[Evangelical Catholicism]]. It also is important to keep separate the original sense of ''catholic'' (such as in the Nicene creed), meaning universal, and the concept of all Christian churches being deemed to be part of the universal, i.e. catholic, church.
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It is important to distinguish these groups from the [[Eastern Catholic]] churches which—while they follow Eastern rather than Roman traditions—do so as part of the [[Roman Catholic Church]]; from groups such as [[Anglo-Catholics]] who remain part of the [[Anglican]] Churches but see Anglicanism as closer to Catholicism than Protestantism; and from a similar movement among the [[Lutheran]] churches known as [[Evangelical Catholicism]]. It also is important to keep separate the original sense of ''catholic'' (such as in the Nicene creed), meaning universal, and the concept of all Christian churches being deemed to be part of the universal, i.e. catholic, church.<br>
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Valid [[ordination]] according to the St Augustinian theory requires only that a man be ordained a [[priest]] by a [[Bishop]] in the line of apostolic succession originating from one who has been licitly and validly ordained to [[Holy Orders]] and who was licitly and validly consecrated a Bishop in the unbroken line of apostolic succession descended from the original Apostles. A licitly consecrated Bishop who later becomes a schismatic, even a heretic, does not lose the authoritative '''''potestas''''' (power) of the fullness of Holy Orders, even without the '''''ius''''' (lawful authority) to licitly exercise it. And those he ordains according to the ''proper form''<ref>[https://augustinianvocations.org/blog-archive/s0q6/12/27/the-postures-and-gestures-of-ordination The Postures and Gestures of Ordination (aughustinianvocations.org)]</ref><ref>https://www.jstor.org/stable/23960143</ref>'''In laymen's terms a bishop retains his power to ordain Priests and consecrate other bishops, even if excommunicated by the [[Roman_Catholic_Church | Roman Catholic Church]] or another church'''<br>
    
There is no single Independent Catholic church. There are many such churches, with completely contrary beliefs to each other. Several of these hold the belief that they are the true Roman Catholic Church, and that the mainstream Roman Catholic Church has fallen into heresy or apostasy. We can group them into a few categories:
 
There is no single Independent Catholic church. There are many such churches, with completely contrary beliefs to each other. Several of these hold the belief that they are the true Roman Catholic Church, and that the mainstream Roman Catholic Church has fallen into heresy or apostasy. We can group them into a few categories:
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==Traditional Old Catholic Churches==
 
==Traditional Old Catholic Churches==
 
*'''Traditional Old Catholic churches'''. One entity is the [[Polish National Catholic Church]] originally just in the United States, but now also in Canada and Italy. The schism with the [[Roman_Catholic_Church | Roman Catholic Church]] started in 1901 and became complete in 1907 when Fr. Hodur is consecrated a Bishop by Dutch Old Catholic bishops, in Utrecht, Holland<ref>https://www.easterndiocesepncc.org/historical-timeline-of-the-polish-national-catholic-church/</ref>. It did not break away over any particular doctrinal issue, but as a result of ethnic conflict. Polish immigrants to the United States felt neglected by the predominantly Italian hierarchy in the United States. <ref>https://pncc.org/</ref>  It was the largest member of the Union of Utrecht<ref>https://www.utrechter-union.org/en/welcome/</ref> until 2003 when it severed its ties in opposition to the Union's approval of [[women priests]] and blessing gay marriages. The Polish National Catholic Church has created the Union of Scranton<ref>https://theunionofscranton.org/</ref> with the Nordic Catholic Church of Norway<ref>https://nordiccatholic.com/about-us/</ref> another Traditional Old Catholic church; which has parishes all over Europe.
 
*'''Traditional Old Catholic churches'''. One entity is the [[Polish National Catholic Church]] originally just in the United States, but now also in Canada and Italy. The schism with the [[Roman_Catholic_Church | Roman Catholic Church]] started in 1901 and became complete in 1907 when Fr. Hodur is consecrated a Bishop by Dutch Old Catholic bishops, in Utrecht, Holland<ref>https://www.easterndiocesepncc.org/historical-timeline-of-the-polish-national-catholic-church/</ref>. It did not break away over any particular doctrinal issue, but as a result of ethnic conflict. Polish immigrants to the United States felt neglected by the predominantly Italian hierarchy in the United States. <ref>https://pncc.org/</ref>  It was the largest member of the Union of Utrecht<ref>https://www.utrechter-union.org/en/welcome/</ref> until 2003 when it severed its ties in opposition to the Union's approval of [[women priests]] and blessing gay marriages. The Polish National Catholic Church has created the Union of Scranton<ref>https://theunionofscranton.org/</ref> with the Nordic Catholic Church of Norway<ref>https://nordiccatholic.com/about-us/</ref> another Traditional Old Catholic church; which has parishes all over Europe.
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