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The confusion today remains. When you see the phrase "a Soviet", the reader thinks of an individual, whereas in primary source documents it refers to a [[collective]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 11:36, January 23, 2026 (EST)

The confusion today remains. When you see the phrase "a Soviet", the reader thinks of an individual, whereas in primary source documents it refers to a [[collective]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 11:36, January 23, 2026 (EST)

==Civilian populations==

==Civilian populations and Nazis's extermination==

This article maintains the fiction that WWII was fought between professional armies. Western armies (Angelo-American & German) and the Japanese deliberately targeted [[civilian]]s for death. The Germans in the [[Holocaust]], [[Leningrad]] and elsewhere, the British in [[Hamburg]], the Americans deliberately targeted civilian populations to kill them in [[Dresden]], [[Tokyo]]. and [[Hiroshima]], and the Japanese in [[China]]. While the Soviet armies did not deliberately target civilians for extermination, the Soviet Union, like the Czarist Empire, always had a labor shortage and need for workers in Siberia. So populations could be targeted for deportation. (We see this in the case of [[Kaja Kallas]], whose grandfather was a Nazi collaborator. The whole family was deported. A form of "collective punishment". I leave it for the reader to decide if deporting a whole family for a [[crime]] against the state is more compassionate than splitting the family up. It's a relevant question for today: while an [[illegal alien]] mother can be deported, does her minor "anchor baby" have rights as a [[US]] [[citizen]]?). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 04:35, January 28, 2026 (EST)

This article maintains the fiction that WWII was fought between professional armies. Western armies (Angelo-American & German) and the Japanese deliberately targeted [[civilian]]s for death. The Germans in the [[Holocaust]], [[Leningrad]] and elsewhere, the British in [[Hamburg]], the Americans deliberately targeted civilian populations to kill them in [[Dresden]], [[Tokyo]]. and [[Hiroshima]], and the Japanese in [[China]]. While the Soviet armies did not deliberately target civilians for extermination, the Soviet Union, like the Czarist Empire, always had a labor shortage and need for workers in Siberia. So populations could be targeted for deportation. (We see this in the case of [[Kaja Kallas]], whose grandfather was a Nazi collaborator. The whole family was deported. A form of "collective punishment". I leave it for the reader to decide if deporting a whole family for a [[crime]] against the state is more compassionate than splitting the family up. It's a relevant question for today: while an [[illegal alien]] mother can be deported, does her minor "anchor baby" have rights as a [[US]] [[citizen]]?). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 04:35, January 28, 2026 (EST)

::From the historic Soviet perspective, the debate is what's worse or better, being murdered or being enslaved? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 18:55, January 28, 2026 (EST)

::From the historic Soviet perspective, the debate is what's worse or better, being murdered or being enslaved? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]} 18:55, January 28, 2026 (EST)

:::Maybe the tactic of indiscriminate bombing was in the last stages of war after so much destruction to civilians by the Axis, which one might argue it was a desperate attempt to end the war. [Hence, argunebt for Hiroshima/Nagasaki]. Still the term "exterminate" is something  else. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:36, January 31, 2026 (EST)

:::Maybe the tactic of indiscriminate bombing was in the last stages of war after so much destruction to civilians by the Axis, which one might argue it was a desperate attempt to end the war. [Hence, argument for Hiroshima/Nagasaki]. Still the term "exterminate" is something  else. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:36, January 31, 2026 (EST)