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→Secular Science: Big Bang is secular; the age of the world is a matter of history.
::My own beliefs? You were the one who added the word secular back in. There is absolutely no reason why a scientist who has concluded that the evidence leads to the big bang ''must'' be non Christian. And, since the creation "science" calculation is based entirely on the Bible, there is no reason to believe that a creation "scientist" ''isn't'' Christian, no?
::My own beliefs? You were the one who added the word secular back in. There is absolutely no reason why a scientist who has concluded that the evidence leads to the big bang ''must'' be non Christian. And, since the creation "science" calculation is based entirely on the Bible, there is no reason to believe that a creation "scientist" ''isn't'' Christian, no?
::And I didn't think the bracket got deleted I just couldn't find it anywhere! Ha ha. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 13:01, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
::And I didn't think the bracket got deleted I just couldn't find it anywhere! Ha ha. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 13:01, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
::: You are correct that some Christians believe in the Big Bang. However, the "science" of the Big Bang is secular, in that it first rejects the Biblical explanation to come up with a naturalistic one.
::: Yes, the creationist calculation comes from a book that claims to be a historical record, but we are, after all, talking about ''history'' here, not ''science''. The study of things in the present (with the scientific method) is ''science''. The study of the ''past'' is ''history''. The best sources we have for history are historical documents.
::: And why do you put the words "science" and "scientist" after "creation" in quotes? Are you questioning whether they really are scientists, despite their being no room for doubt on that?
::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:50, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
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