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::::::At this point, our disagreement seems to be largely a debate on whether or not the history we have been taught is accurate.  I am no historian, and cannot argue on this level.  That said, I offer a different point: assuming that you are accurate in saying that substance banning is ''mostly'' effective, and is good for ''most'' people, we have still confessed that it is an imperfect and expensive solution.  What I suggest is that there may well be a more effective alternative: education.  Translating "given suitable enforcement" to "given suitable funding", my experiences lead me to believe that ''properly'' educating kids to the pitfalls of substance abuse (and by educating I don't mean 'Marijuana is bad, okay?') we can achieve a more satisfactory solution.  -[[User:Simple|Simple]] 11:33 (GMT -5) 6 July 2007
 
::::::At this point, our disagreement seems to be largely a debate on whether or not the history we have been taught is accurate.  I am no historian, and cannot argue on this level.  That said, I offer a different point: assuming that you are accurate in saying that substance banning is ''mostly'' effective, and is good for ''most'' people, we have still confessed that it is an imperfect and expensive solution.  What I suggest is that there may well be a more effective alternative: education.  Translating "given suitable enforcement" to "given suitable funding", my experiences lead me to believe that ''properly'' educating kids to the pitfalls of substance abuse (and by educating I don't mean 'Marijuana is bad, okay?') we can achieve a more satisfactory solution.  -[[User:Simple|Simple]] 11:33 (GMT -5) 6 July 2007
 
:::::::I agree with the education angle, but educating people that it's bad, and legalising it, sends contradictory messages.  Both education and banning are needed.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:56, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::::I agree with the education angle, but educating people that it's bad, and legalising it, sends contradictory messages.  Both education and banning are needed.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:56, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
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::::::::Philip - using that logic, presumably you'd like to see alcohol and tobacco banned then? As far as I can see from the evidence, the harm caused by these substances is, if anything, more than the harm caused by marijuana. And yet we deal with the harmful effects of alcohol and tobacco by educating people into knowledge of their harmful effects, and acknowledging that (with alcohol at any rate) there are positive benefits to be gained from a moderate and rational use of it.--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 12:34, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
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