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:I think the key point in your message was the phrase "the hard realities".  It seems that you want to make this "incest" out to be something bad.  You think that the fact that it is incest should be noted in the article, but I've never disagreed with mentioning that it occurred, but object to putting it in a way that suggests that there was something wrong with it.  Even just the use of the word "incest", although technically correct, is problematic because of the connotations surrounding the term.  As far as putting in bits that aren't in the account is concerned, I previously pointed out that you were doing that anyway.  The bits that explain that incest wasn't a problem come directly from what you want to do—applying logic to the accounts, but unlike you, I don't come with the presupposition that they are mythological stories that therefore must have problems.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:29, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
 
:I think the key point in your message was the phrase "the hard realities".  It seems that you want to make this "incest" out to be something bad.  You think that the fact that it is incest should be noted in the article, but I've never disagreed with mentioning that it occurred, but object to putting it in a way that suggests that there was something wrong with it.  Even just the use of the word "incest", although technically correct, is problematic because of the connotations surrounding the term.  As far as putting in bits that aren't in the account is concerned, I previously pointed out that you were doing that anyway.  The bits that explain that incest wasn't a problem come directly from what you want to do—applying logic to the accounts, but unlike you, I don't come with the presupposition that they are mythological stories that therefore must have problems.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:29, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
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== Eden ==
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"Eden" in Hebrew is Eden - ayin-dalet-nun - not
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"Aten".  According to the New User-Friendly Hebrew-English Dictionary, eden means pleasure, delicacy; Eden, paradise.  Nahum Sarna in the JPS Torah Commentary on Genesis, notes that the Septuagint translated the Hebrew word for "garden" - gan (gimel-nun) - as "paradeisos", "a term that originated in the Old Persian pairi-daeza, meaning 'an enclosed park, a pleasure ground'".  "Eden", Sarna continues, "has been derived from the Sumerian edinu, 'a plain,' but an Aramaic-Akkadian bilingual inscription suggests that the real meaning is 'luxuriance'".
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