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::I'll do some digging, but your replies sound a lot like "Muhammad did not support Jihad" (with apologies to those of the Islam faith). {{User:PheasantHunter/FullSig}} 02:10, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
::I'll do some digging, but your replies sound a lot like "Muhammad did not support Jihad" (with apologies to those of the Islam faith). {{User:PheasantHunter/FullSig}} 02:10, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
:::I'm merely cautioning against painting an organization's founder with the anachronistic views of the organization. Think of how silly it would be to put [[:Category:Opponents of same-sex marriage]] to [[John C. Frémont]] or [[:Category:Opponents to slavery]] to [[George W. Bush]]. [[User:AManInBlack|AManInBlack]] 02:19, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
:::I'm merely cautioning against painting an organization's founder with the anachronistic views of the organization. Think of how silly it would be to put [[:Category:Opponents of same-sex marriage]] to [[John C. Frémont]] or [[:Category:Opponents to slavery]] to [[George W. Bush]]. [[User:AManInBlack|AManInBlack]] 02:19, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
You know, you say that she's an abortion advocate because she founded Planned Parenthood. When she founded the American Birth Control League, she stated its founding principles in ''The Pivot of Civilization'', which is happily available on [http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/6/8/1689/1689.txt Project Gutenberg]. An excerpt from these principles, emphasis added:
<blockquote>
In addition to this grave evil we witness the appalling waste of women's
health and women's lives by too frequent pregnancies. '''These unwanted
pregnancies often provoke the crime of abortion''', or alternatively
multiply the number of child-workers and lower the standard of living.
</blockquote>
In her own words, Sanger argued for birth control as a way to prevent both uncontrolled population growth and abortion. Her single admirable trait was arguing for birth control as a means for a couple to manage the growth of their family.
She was a racist and a eugenicist, not an admirable person at all. But let us be precise in describing her views and goals, instead of throwing up our hands and ascribing all vaguely-related evils to her. [[User:AManInBlack|AManInBlack]] 02:36, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
*I know both of you have worked with far more difficult people than each other (me for instance)! I am rooting for you both! :p --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 02:27, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
*I know both of you have worked with far more difficult people than each other (me for instance)! I am rooting for you both! :p --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 02:27, 25 July 2007 (EDT)