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Oh, and one more thing: Don't tell me that Fox News is part of the MSM. It's not, they never pretend to be, and indeed they are proud to say that they are not.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]^{[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]} 21:32, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh, and one more thing: Don't tell me that Fox News is part of the MSM. It's not, they never pretend to be, and indeed they are proud to say that they are not.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]^{[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]} 21:32, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

: According to Nielsen, Fox News has 9 of the 10 most viewed shows on Cable TV News in Dec 2006;  it has the second-highest cumulative numbers, between CNN and MSNBC; their mean peaktime viewing figures have them with triple the viewers of MSNBC, and double the viewers iof CNN;  and "In 2006, more than half the people watching cable news were watching Fox News (as they have since 2001)."   That sounds like the very definition of mainstream to me, no?  [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:12, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

: According to Nielsen, Fox News has 9 of the 10 most viewed shows on Cable TV News in Dec 2006;  it has the second-highest cumulative numbers, between CNN and MSNBC; their mean peaktime viewing figures have them with triple the viewers of MSNBC, and double the viewers iof CNN;  and "In 2006, more than half the people watching cable news were watching Fox News (as they have since 2001)."[http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2007/narrative_cabletv_audience.asp?cat=2&media=6]  That sounds like the very definition of mainstream to me, no?  [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:12, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

I could've swore that MSM-status was decided by how mainstream something was, not whether or not it claimed to be mainstream... [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:35, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

I could've swore that MSM-status was decided by how mainstream something was, not whether or not it claimed to be mainstream... [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:35, 1 August 2007 (EDT)