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New page: == test == works for me. DanH 22:07, 6 July 2007 (EDT) :My non-Sysop test account (SKS) can't view the page. I get this message: ::The action you have requested is limit...
== test ==
works for me. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:07, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
:My non-Sysop test account (SKS) can't view the page. I get this message:
::The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups "*", "user".
::Return to Main Page.
:~ <font color="Turquoise">[[User:SharonS|Sharon]]<sup>[[User talk:SharonS|Talk]]</sup></font> 22:26, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
Can non-Sysops see this word: asdfghjkl ?
: This works. The error message is imprecise and I'm not sure how to fix that. But all my tests show that non-Sysops cannot search or read these pages. Don't provide descriptive comments for any edits because comments are visible in the Recent Changes log.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:41, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
::We dont need a good error message. Let spies die of curiosity.
Working for me. We just leave the edit summary blank with each post, right? --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 23:21, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
==Breaking News==
What do you think of the articles in the Breaking News section?
What do you think about the Older News page?
I'm just wondering since I haven't seen any feedback lately. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 23:10, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
Good as usual. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:26, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
== Moving sysop pages here ==
Is there any reason we shouldn't move [[conservapedia:sysops]] and [[conservapedia:New Sysops Training Page]] into this namespace? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:28, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:None at all, that I can see...in fact better for it to be here! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 03:00, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Lets archive and delete that page, and use this one for discusiion. [[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Geo.]]<small>[[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Complain!]]</small> 03:10, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::Which page? I asked about two pages. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:38, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:::I am sure Geo is talking about the Sysop Hangout, Philip, and just move the Training Page here. Actually move both, archive the "Hang Out" so it stays private. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:20, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::::I've moved them both, and made the first one an archive of this page. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:18, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
== Portal ==
Anyone care if I make a entry portal for this namespace? It will have all the pages linked [[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Geo.]]<small>[[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Complain!]]</small> 03:12, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:I care. I think it's a good idea; I had vague thoughts along the same line myself. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:41, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Done! [[Sysop:Portal]] {{unsigned|Geo.plrd}}
== How does a user edit before they've registered? ==
In going through registrations to apply welcome notices, if they've already edited I like to check their edits so that I don't get embarrassed welcoming a vandal. I came across [[user:Ahowlett]], who [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Ahowlett registered] on 5th July (my time), and when I checked his [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Ahowlett contributions], there are seven contributions all dating from March!
The only thing I can think of is that an older user was deleted from the database, and a new user (or the same person) has registered with the same name.
Any other ideas?
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:45, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
*That would be my guess. I have seen the same a very few times....and wondered the same, or perhaps someone blocked long ago, and the block expired, or they haven't been back in many months, and somehow the new posting refreshes the DB? --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:56, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:If they were blocked and the block expired, it should show on the block list. There was no new posting (as distinct from registration) to refresh anything. And if there was an old user by that name still in the database, they shouldn't have been able to register a new user with that name anyway. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:18, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
*Sorry, but I have seen blocks "fall off" the list, Philip. Not unblocked, just gone. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 07:21, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
I've just found another. It's a little different, but fits with the idea of the original user name being removed from the database. In this case [[user:Acatisfinetoo]] edited ''and was permanently banned'' back in March, and a new account with the same name was created yesterday, and made one edit before being banned again. I see this as a problem with deleting users from the database. If they haven't edited, it shouldn't cause any problems, but if they have edited, the old edits for that username get attached to the new account, which just might be an entirely different person. If the username is offensive, then I guess it serves then right, but otherwise they are getting lumped with something they didn't do. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:33, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
== New users welcomed ==
Just to let you know, after discussing welcoming practices with some other sysops who agreed that we should welcome ''all'' new users (assuming that we haven't already blocked them or are about to), I decided to put welcome notices on all users who have registered since the 1st July (according to my time zone). I have now completed doing this.
There were so many users already blocked that many times I did a group of six to ten with not one that wasn't already blocked! Many times I felt relieved that I'd found one that wasn't blocked yet! Many of them I couldn't see an obvious reason for blocking (inoffensive name and no posts listed), but I wasn't about to check up on you all by checking IP addresses and the deleted pages log to see if they were justified! I just assumed that they were.
If you do unblock any user (who had previously been blocked indefinitely), and they haven't already had a welcome notice put on their user page, please add one, because nobody else is likely to notice and do so.
The reason, by the way, for adding the notice, is not only to make new users feel welcome, but to post right on their talk page a list of things that they need to read (the Commandments, etc.), which is (a) hopefully likely to minimise them breaking the rules, and (b) to reduce any chance of them claiming later that they didn't realise what the rules were. So even if you think somebody is a likely vandal, unless you are prepared to ban them, give them a welcome message—it reduces their ability to say "I didn't realise...".
If you are interested, [[user talk:Philip J. Rayment/Welcome script|here]] is a script to help with posting welcome notices.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:39, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Philip, I tried several times to get your Welcome script to add a tab, but couldn't. I'm using Mozilla Firefox version 1.5.0.12. The "welcome" tab simply will not show up.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 12:30, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I installed Firefox 1.5.0.11, and it works for me (shows up at least). I did wonder if for some reason it only works for me, but another user reported getting the tabs at least. I've created a new account for myself to test this and potentially other things, but locking must be disabled at the moment, so I can't edit in my other account! You don't want to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox, do you?
::You should not have the <nowiki><pre></nowiki> tags around the code on your page. Before you put them there, did you force your browser to clear its cache? Unless you do, the code from your javascript page probably won't get reloaded.
::I've also created a debugging version of the code. I'm adding some new instructions [[user talk:Philip J. Rayment/Welcome script|here]] on how to use it. Please give this code a try.
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:39, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
== Non-Sysop contest ==
When we complete the Sysop contest, I'm proposing a similar contest for non-sysops. This would promote a friendly competition with the rest of Conservapedia's editors; with the added benefit to this site.
We've already seen some interest from non-sysops to be in this contest, and I don't think it would be difficult to organize teams similar to our contest (of course we would leave out points for blocking, etc.) --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:10, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
: Good suggestion, Crocoite. Contests are motivators. What do you think of advertising the upcoming team contest on the front page? It might generate even more interest in it, and some people might ask to be on one of the remaining spots.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:17, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I will generate something now for the front page. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::Done. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:36, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I like your changes Andy. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 19:13, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:::When does the contest start? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
== Deletedpage text ==
Everyone:
If the Deletedpage template has a link to the Main Page, then whenever anyone visits the Main Page and clicks "What links here," they're going to see all those pages, including many having names that we don't want them to see. I propose removing the Main Page link and keeping it removed. If someone needs to get out of a "deleted and protected page," they can click on the logo and get back to the Main Page that way. Let's leave that instruction on deleted pages--not a link to the Main Page.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 14:00, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
:Should we include a line of text in the template saying "Click on the logo to return to the main page"? --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 14:01, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, that would work. But let's all agree on this change.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
==Blogs 4 Brownback==
A user insists on linking the Sam Brownback page to Blogs 4 Brownback, which I think is an obvious parody site (it's most famous for its post "Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine"), and he claims that he "sees no reason to think it's not legitimate). Do you think I'm in the right to want to keep it out? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 01:46, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
:I'm not familiar with the site. Link? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:51, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
: Saying heliocentrism is atheistic is a parody. You're right to keep it out, unless Philip feels strongly otherwise.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 01:51, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/heliocentrism-is-an-atheist-doctrine/ [[User:DanH|DanH]] 01:53, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
::Yeah, I reckon that's got to be a spoof site. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:28, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
:Good catch DanH. Your analysis looks on target. This was a tuff one, but it does appear to be disinformation to divide the GOP. One of the team founders states, "My primary focus is conservative (not necessarily GOP) politics. [http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/mission/] and "I want voters to “just say no” to RINOs."
:Also, Brownback, McCain, & Hillary Clinton are all U.S. Senators, yet this site refers to Hillary as a "kook" and engages in namecalling on McCain as well. While Senate Democrats may have no qualms about violating Senate rules by trashing and mocking other members of the U.S. Senate publicly, this is a clear distinction between Conservative Republican values and the Democrats win-at-any-cost philosophy. The site does more to promote division among potential GOP voters, than find common ground. Look how savagely Romney is trashed. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:15, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
== Style manual proposals ==
I've started a couple of discussions on [[Conservapedia:Manual of Style|Style manual]] matters, for which I'd appreciate some feedback.
# [[Conservapedia talk:Manual of Style#quotes|Quote boxes]].
# [[Conservapedia talk:Footnotes - technical help#Footnote style|Footnote/referencing styles]]
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:13, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
:So far, one sysop has commented on one of those. So does that mean that if I add my views to the Manual of Style that nobody here is going to object? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:47, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
::<small>''(Comment from Conservative moved to [[Conservapedia talk:Footnotes - technical help#Footnote style]].))''</small>
== This is what I like to see ==
A fairly new editor asked for the [[World of Warcraft]] article to be unlocked so that he could add to it. It was, and he added a lot. Too much, apparently (not malicious, just unencyclopedic). Two other editors (mainly one other) have jumped in and cut it down to size. And all, as far as I know, without one of us having to issue any warnings, lockings, or do any other intervention. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:47, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
:Hmmm, perhaps I spoke a bit hastily. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] now claims that the cuts that have been made are to the content the previously-protecting sysop put in, and he's reverted the cuts.
:Nevertheless, he is suggesting that they discuss the matter before making any drastic changes. At this stage, still no reason to jump in—let's see if they can sort it out themselves.
:[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:42, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
== Problem loading pages ==
For a browser, I normally use Maxthon, which is based on the IE engine. It has a known bug with opening links in specific circumstances, but I can load those links if I use IE itself or Firefox. However, I've found some pages that I can't load even with IE or Firefox. The page all have an ampersand in the name, and the ampersand is obviously the problem. Are others able to load these pages? Unless it's just a problem I'm having, I will move these pages to a different name (there is a way I can do it without opening the page first).
A couple of these already have duplicates without an ampersand, suggesting that others ''do'' have this problem.
The list below is just the ones that appear on the uncategorised pages list; there may be more than these.
* [[Dharma & Greg]]
* [[Illiad & Odyssey]]
* [[Penn & Teller]]
* [[Texas A&M]]
* [[Titus & Domitian]]
* [[Tyne & Wear]]
* [[United States Center for Faith-Based & Community Initiatives]]
* [[Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer]]
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:56, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
::I can't get them with the latest versions of either Firefox or IE. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 04:30, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Okay, I'm moving them. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:21, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
==Alexa==
Yesterday's numbers were pretty good (26,585); [http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=conservapedia.com%2F&site1=&site2=&site3=&site4=&y=t&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=7d&size=Medium&url=conservapedia.com/] best in a month. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:28, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
== User name guide ==
I propose putting the following information on the login/create account pages:
{{QuoteBox|'''Note:''' Offensive user names will result in that user name being blocked and perhaps your IP address being blocked. Frivolous user names, names of prominent living persons, and user names consisting of, for example, all capital letters or all the same character, may also result in that user name being blocked. User names based on your real name or initials are preferred.<br /><br />
If you have an existing account that has been '''blocked''', do '''not''' create a new account to appeal the block. Instead, contact an Administrator, as explained [[Conservapedia:Editor's guide#If you get blocked|here]]}}
I'm not 100% happy with that wording, but I think that something along this line would be a good idea. What do others think? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:25, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
:Sorry I missed this! Perfect idea! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 05:40, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
::Okay, this proposal has been here almost a week now, and has no dissenters and one vote of support, so I will implement it. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:30, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
*Perfect, Philip! I did forget to give this Ed Poor's approval as well, so as his alter-ego & unappointed official spokesperson, I hereby do so. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:24, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
:: It didn't work out quite the way I hoped, but it's not too bad. The [[Special:Userlogin|login page]] should have the text to the right of the box instead of underneath it, but on the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup create account page] it should be underneath. When I first posted the text, there was an awful-looking narrow strip of text down the right of the create-account box, so I had to use a {{tt|clear:both}} to move it underneath, but this moves it underneath the Login box also. It does appear possible to have two separate blocks of text, one for each page, which could solve the problem, but CreationWiki, from which I figured out the bit to change, doesn't have this problem, so I don't know what's causing it here. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:31, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
== State governor images ==
I received this email:
<blockquote>AManInBlack <maninblack3125@yahoo.com>AddSunday, July 15, 2007 11:00:55 PMTo:Crocoite <crocoitecp@yahoo.com></blockquote>
<blockquote>Anyway, what I was there to talk to you about was state governor images. While the US federal government does release any possible copyright claim on its products, state governments don't necessarily follow suit. In fact, most don't. These images unfortunately aren't in the public domain.
Copyright issues are always some of the thorniest, and I don't want to see CP getting into trouble over this sort of thing.</blockquote>
These photos were copied from .gov sites, with a link to the actual photo. Is there a copyright problem or is this guy just blowing smoke? --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 03:18, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:From what I seem to recall reading before, I think he's probably correct. It depends on the individual government (federal, state, or otherwise). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:01, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
I am starting to email each individual state for permission to use these photos on our site for educational use only. I will add the positive responses to the photo credits and remove any images where the permission is denied. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 04:17, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*He is incorrect. All levels of government grant rights of use for educational and non-commerical use, as Andy has posted many times. Therefore he is both correct and not, depending on the useage. We are fine. I would add that in the future, none of us should be rushing around in reaction to this kind of thing, okay? Such emails should always be forwarded directly to Andy, and then we should wait before removing things, etc. If some of us were signed into IM, this could have been cleared up rather quickly. ;-) This user continues to make my block finger itchy, and I simply don't care who they are at WP. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:26, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:Please scratch your finger. From what I've seen, AManInBlack's being doing good work. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:32, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
You wanna make a wager, my intuition against your "facts", mate? :p I distrust any editor emailing a Sysop about legal matters, instead of Andy, especially such well-known matters as images, and their release for all educational and non-profit use. We need to guard against users pushing us toward Wikipedian conventions. Those in contact with this guy, please feel free to pass on to him he most certainly has my attention now. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
== Deleted Page ==
*Is there something being tinkered with, that perhaps would be better shared (and explained in detail) with the Sysops? [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#deletedpage] --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 17:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::Look at the log for the page. It was deleted a few days ago, yet many pages still redirected to it. It was then recreated by a vandal as the definition of fornication so all the pages redirected to the definition of fornication. I was the one who removed the content and protected it, then it was deleted as Andy removed the vandals work. I asked if it should be deleted, protected or restored? now he restored it so all is well. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 17:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::*Just saying I wish TerryH would post here, explaining to the rest of us, what it is he is doing. The reason being, if it happens again, we will know how to fix it instantly. I did ask about this before, never was answered, and could have fixed it if only I was informed, as I am sure others could have. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 18:12, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::* For everyone's information, all I remember doing was changing the template to remove the explicit link to the Main Page. Instead, the text of "DeletedPage" (whether in the main or the Conservapedia namespace) should instruct the viewer to click on the Conservapedia logo to get back to the Main Page. If the ''link'' to the Main Page remains, then suddenly the Main Page links to a lot of deleted pages, some of which have titles that are ''not'' family friendly. With my refinement, those pages become dead-end pages, and that's as it ought to be.
:::*I don't know who deleted the template entirely. I did not do it.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 20:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*Well, I have deleted it many times, having been directed there automatically, and thinking I was still on the deleted page, deleting it again, lol! But my earlier post wasn't about that, but about the bit on Andy's page, and Bohdan's comments someone was working on it, I looked and saw the last edit as TerryH, but didn't note the time or date....;-) --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 20:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:*The last time I did anything on Conservapedia:Deletedpage was to change its form and content to the form and content it now has.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Well, then the post by Bohdan on Andy's page remains a mystery, lol! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 21:14, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::::Look again. The post about work being done was by someone else. All I did was remove some vandalism. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 21:15, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*Well, you, someone else, something was posted, and it was about some work being done, right? So, it still remains a mystery! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 22:44, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
== Clarification and categories ==
So anything that is under the 'Sysop' namespace is only viewable by sysops and above?
and
Categories - I'm urging everyone to take part in putting categories in the existing articles. We only have around 1,600 articles to categorise.
[[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 09:16, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Regarding this namespace, yes, that's the theory (although the edit comments are viewable by anybody in the Recent changes list). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:46, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
*It helps if you make the subheader something general, say like: "Question about..." and then start below with the person's name...that way the summary won't reveal what you are specifically what you are talking about. Anything really confidential, or something you only want other sysops to read, just use the email. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 19:31, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
== Navigation Aids.. ==
We could sure use a navigation template for these protected pages! Something that has links and a BACK button to all of them. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 15:51, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
:Geo created a [[sysop:portal|portal]] page for these protected pages, but it never got far. I didn't want to chase Geo up on it until the contest stuff was out of the way, but I think that TK has a good idea here. Given that the number of sysop-namespace pages will never be large (I think), then a navigation box listing all the pages is probably more useful than the portal. As for the back button—???. What's wrong with your browser's "back" button? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:45, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
*Back browser? (Horrified expression) Pish! Like on the Sysop Contest, a back button to take one to the table of contents! Of course if there were a nifty template at the bottom, like the one that lists Presidents, with the page titles to click on, that would be super-super as well! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 23:10, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
:So you wanted to browse your back? <shock> The "back" button on the table of contents was not really a back button, unless one assumes that that's where you've just come from. But a link to take you to a contents page would be fine, if there was such a thing (the portal page) that was any use, which I think it wouldn't be if the navigation box handled it all.
:The problem with a navigation box at the bottom of what are essentially talk pages is that clicking the "+" tab to create a new section would add that new section ''below'' the navigation box, which means that it would no longer be at the bottom. So I'd suggest that the navigation boxes on these sysop pages should be at the top.
:I'm happy to create the template for the navigation box myself, and I'd do it in sysop namespace rather than template namespace, but I think that it will render Geo's portal page redundant, so I'd rather wait for him to comment before I do that.
:[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:57, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
*Wasn't the portal page part of the problem with security? Or was it the re-directs? Anyway, I left Geo a message. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 00:40, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
== AIM ==
I've recently signed up with a screen name at AIM messenger with niandraconserve@hotmail.com
With the help of TK, I have added a few of your addresses. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 05:36, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
==Main Page Attack==
I'm almost positive it's traffic from Ebaumsworld.com--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 08:45, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:I would have protected the template earlier if I knew it was being used on the main page! [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:49, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
::I think it's only been used on the front page for a few days. You've had a busy evening, Niandra! [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:53, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Shows in the block log! [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:56, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
::::Have you had time to do anything else? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:57, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, I had tea a few hours ago, I haven't really been online here for that long, it's just the amount of blockings all came within a short time. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:58, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
*Yes, it interupted a rare and lovely chat it did! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 12:40, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
And now last night, again, reference to Ebaumsworld in the six or so vandalized pages. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 16:47, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==Warning==
I believe that Dramian1337 is a friend of Superjack, for several reasons based on Superjack's vandalism. Also, his obsession with code/hacking is worrisome and the number "1337" is common slang among hackers. We need to keep a close eye on this user. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:55, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:Big-time watch. He already has included several articles about hackers and hacking ("leet speek" is one), but what I find more confirming than that is his inclusion of the Norse god "Loki", and that's all he says about it. What's '''not''' included is the fact that Loki is the god of subversive chaos and anarchy, as well as being the basis for ''The Mask'' starring Jim Carrey. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:57, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #1==
[[User:Ore765]] posted patently false information in the David Obey article [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=David_Obey&diff=prev&oldid=240847] (See [[ 110th United States Congress#Earmark reform]] for why). He's been rather active, all his contribs need to be checked. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:16, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==[[Anti-Flag]]==
Do we need this article? All it does is push the anti-American rhetoric in CP by our liberal "friends", as usual. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:10, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
*Article history:
<blockquote>
16:22, 28 April 2007 Hojimachong -- New page: '''Anti-Flag''' is an American punk band from the United States. The lyrics of the band often criticize the irresponsible capitalistic of large corporations.
</blockquote>
:It is a Pop Culture entry, and if kept, shouldn't be allowed to veer from a basic description of the group, IMO. Andy has said we need to guard against clogging CP with too much pop culture references, like Wikipedia does. I should think a template could come in handy here, with a main article about Punk Bands, and a template listing them. Instead of 50 idiot like articles on each and every minor punk band who ever recorded a one hit wonder. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 17:16, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
== Templates vandalized ==
The following templates were vandalized and Niandra reverted them:
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Tt&curid=29690&diff=250867&oldid=250858 Template:Tt] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:T_row_if&curid=30449&diff=250868&oldid=250859 Template:T row if] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:QuoteBox2&curid=34091&diff=250865&oldid=250856 Template:QuoteBox2] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Public_domain_image&curid=26461&diff=250864&oldid=250853 Template:Public domain image] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:User_GunControLovedByTotalitarians&curid=25023&diff=250863&oldid=250852 Template:User GunControLovedByTotalitarians] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Unprotected&curid=14153&diff=250862&oldid=250851 Template:Unprotected] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:President&curid=32836&diff=250861&oldid=250850 Template:President]
When I saw these templates were vandalized, protecting them seemed necessary.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=Crocoite&page=] Vandalizing a template has the potential to affect a larger number of articles, and all templates should be protected similar to pics. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 04:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
:In my opinion, there is no need for blanket protection of all templates. And most of those template have very little use on article pages, so for most of them, being van<i></i>dalised for a short time until reversion is no big deal. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:13, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
== New Template Policy ==
Andy has asked me to help implement a new policy dealing with templates, and work with Philip and others in getting it off the ground. The attack this morning by a vandal, or vandals, on them, and the recent vandal attack on the main page template, is one of them main reasons for changing what we have been doing.
Here is what we have come up with:
1. Create a special page for user-designed templates to be placed for review by PhilipR and our more template minded sysops. Templates would be displayed, along with the currently required documentation.
2. Upon his approval (or any Sysop who is technically savvy enough to do so) they would be added to our existing list of approved templates for general use. This page will also remain locked to prevent editors from adding unauthorized templates to it.
3. This policy would be that before any editor can place the more complicated tables and templates upon pages, they will need to be reviewed per #1 above, and that those templates will be locked to prevent any changes after approval. Users wanting to change them can merely ask a sysop to open them, and leave a note for Philip so he can have a look to make sure the changes are benign.
4. These changes would include “user boxes”. Heretofore they have been excluded, however many have linked theirs to user created categories such as “Gay Conservapedians” “Liberals on Conservapedia” which has made it easier to locate others of a like mind, and sometimes those boxes have been altered to include a link to RW, etc. This is of course unacceptable.
Anyone who wants to create the page, and format it, please proceed! It will need a short introduction, detailing our new policy, and smoothing this over, so as to cause the least amount of complications to our best contributors.
--[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:45, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
::All of the templates are protected. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 06:14, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Thank you so very much! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 08:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
We do not have an "existing list of approved templates". The existing [[help:templates|list of templates]] specifically says that listing there does not imply endorsement of any of them.
The "working with Philip" involves telling me that the new policy is ''fait accompli''. So I hereby give my approval in advance for all new templates that are not vandalism, offensive, or etc. After all, a vandal is hardly going to abide by this policy anyway, is he?
Despite the desire "to cause the least amount of complications to our best contributors", this policy does precisely the opposite. Most of the high-risk templates were already protected, so this new policy achieves little except to disenfranchise editors.
Oh, by the way, as this is a private sysop-only page, I trust that nobody will object to me expressing my opinion, especially as it wasn't sought before the policy was decided.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:26, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
*No, Philip I am sure no one will complain about Andy's decision. And it was his alone, based upon dozens of emails sent back and forth about templates over the past two months or so. Given the attack recently, and before, it seems more than prudent, less than ideal...but what in life is? ;-) --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 21:01, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
== main page templates ==
Just to reiterate..
The templates: AboutC, Tfa and Newsline aren't in use for the main page.
They have been replaced by [[Template:mainpageleft]] and [[Template:mainpageright]]
[[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 10:53, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
:Should I delete the talk page I just made and use this one instead? [[User:DeborahB.|DeborahB.]] 10:54, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
::Just use the general main page discussion page? [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 10:58, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #2==
[[User:Jalepeno]] is back. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Democratic_Unionist_Party&curid=39248&diff=251791&oldid=246571&rcid=270201] Here created all these accounts (I might have missed a few). Plus,
*[[User:Uncle Jalapeno]] (0 bytes)
*[[:Category talk:Uncle Jalapeno]] (39 bytes)
*[[:Category:Uncle Jalapeno]] (39 bytes)
*[[User talk:Jalapeno]] (582 bytes)
18:48, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno19 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:48, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno18 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:27, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno17 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:26, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno16 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:24, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno15 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:22, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno14 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:21, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno13 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:20, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno12 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:16, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno11 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:14, 19 May 2007, DanH (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno10 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:12, 19 May 2007, DanH (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno9 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:09, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno8 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
17:59, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno7 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
17:54, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno6 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
09:44, 19 May 2007, BenjaminS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno5 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock of unclejalepeno3 & 4)
09:19, 19 May 2007, Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno4 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock)
09:07, 19 May 2007, Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno3 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock)
00:12, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno2 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
[[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:28, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
*If memory serves me, there was email about this user, that I had, or DanH had. I beleive the IP's are completely different for Jalapeno and the Uncle series. Dan might remember better than me. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 12:39, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
I remember that being the case, although I think that Geo.plrd was actually the one who investigated it. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 12:49, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #3==
[[User:Conservativeguy]] maybe a sock of [[User:Ilovegeorgew]]. IP 67.134.189.66
26 July 2007 12:07 Democratic Party (diff; hist) . . (-52) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block)
25 July 2007 16:23 Yale University (diff; hist) . . (+1,662) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block)
15:16 San Francisco (diff; hist) . . (-1) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block) (Grammatical error)
15:10 (User creation log) (diff; hist) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block) (New user)
23 July 2007 16:53 Rush Limbaugh (diff; hist) . . (+58) . . Ilovegeorgew (Talk | contribs | block) (grammatical errors)
15:51 (User creation log) (diff; hist) . . Ilovegeorgew (Talk | contribs | block) (New user)
[[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:41, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #4==
[[User:Taj]] - disinformation. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Eleanor_Roosevelt&diff=prev&oldid=169679] [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:02, 28 July 2007 (EDT)
== New Policy.... ==
This was presented by Andy, and added to the Style Manual here [[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style]], under "What Not To Add To Articles". --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 19:46, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
works for me. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:07, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
:My non-Sysop test account (SKS) can't view the page. I get this message:
::The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups "*", "user".
::Return to Main Page.
:~ <font color="Turquoise">[[User:SharonS|Sharon]]<sup>[[User talk:SharonS|Talk]]</sup></font> 22:26, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
Can non-Sysops see this word: asdfghjkl ?
: This works. The error message is imprecise and I'm not sure how to fix that. But all my tests show that non-Sysops cannot search or read these pages. Don't provide descriptive comments for any edits because comments are visible in the Recent Changes log.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:41, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
::We dont need a good error message. Let spies die of curiosity.
Working for me. We just leave the edit summary blank with each post, right? --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 23:21, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
==Breaking News==
What do you think of the articles in the Breaking News section?
What do you think about the Older News page?
I'm just wondering since I haven't seen any feedback lately. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 23:10, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
Good as usual. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:26, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
== Moving sysop pages here ==
Is there any reason we shouldn't move [[conservapedia:sysops]] and [[conservapedia:New Sysops Training Page]] into this namespace? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:28, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:None at all, that I can see...in fact better for it to be here! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 03:00, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Lets archive and delete that page, and use this one for discusiion. [[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Geo.]]<small>[[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Complain!]]</small> 03:10, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::Which page? I asked about two pages. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:38, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:::I am sure Geo is talking about the Sysop Hangout, Philip, and just move the Training Page here. Actually move both, archive the "Hang Out" so it stays private. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:20, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::::I've moved them both, and made the first one an archive of this page. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:18, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
== Portal ==
Anyone care if I make a entry portal for this namespace? It will have all the pages linked [[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Geo.]]<small>[[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Complain!]]</small> 03:12, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:I care. I think it's a good idea; I had vague thoughts along the same line myself. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:41, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Done! [[Sysop:Portal]] {{unsigned|Geo.plrd}}
== How does a user edit before they've registered? ==
In going through registrations to apply welcome notices, if they've already edited I like to check their edits so that I don't get embarrassed welcoming a vandal. I came across [[user:Ahowlett]], who [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Ahowlett registered] on 5th July (my time), and when I checked his [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Ahowlett contributions], there are seven contributions all dating from March!
The only thing I can think of is that an older user was deleted from the database, and a new user (or the same person) has registered with the same name.
Any other ideas?
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:45, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
*That would be my guess. I have seen the same a very few times....and wondered the same, or perhaps someone blocked long ago, and the block expired, or they haven't been back in many months, and somehow the new posting refreshes the DB? --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:56, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:If they were blocked and the block expired, it should show on the block list. There was no new posting (as distinct from registration) to refresh anything. And if there was an old user by that name still in the database, they shouldn't have been able to register a new user with that name anyway. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:18, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
*Sorry, but I have seen blocks "fall off" the list, Philip. Not unblocked, just gone. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 07:21, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
I've just found another. It's a little different, but fits with the idea of the original user name being removed from the database. In this case [[user:Acatisfinetoo]] edited ''and was permanently banned'' back in March, and a new account with the same name was created yesterday, and made one edit before being banned again. I see this as a problem with deleting users from the database. If they haven't edited, it shouldn't cause any problems, but if they have edited, the old edits for that username get attached to the new account, which just might be an entirely different person. If the username is offensive, then I guess it serves then right, but otherwise they are getting lumped with something they didn't do. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:33, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
== New users welcomed ==
Just to let you know, after discussing welcoming practices with some other sysops who agreed that we should welcome ''all'' new users (assuming that we haven't already blocked them or are about to), I decided to put welcome notices on all users who have registered since the 1st July (according to my time zone). I have now completed doing this.
There were so many users already blocked that many times I did a group of six to ten with not one that wasn't already blocked! Many times I felt relieved that I'd found one that wasn't blocked yet! Many of them I couldn't see an obvious reason for blocking (inoffensive name and no posts listed), but I wasn't about to check up on you all by checking IP addresses and the deleted pages log to see if they were justified! I just assumed that they were.
If you do unblock any user (who had previously been blocked indefinitely), and they haven't already had a welcome notice put on their user page, please add one, because nobody else is likely to notice and do so.
The reason, by the way, for adding the notice, is not only to make new users feel welcome, but to post right on their talk page a list of things that they need to read (the Commandments, etc.), which is (a) hopefully likely to minimise them breaking the rules, and (b) to reduce any chance of them claiming later that they didn't realise what the rules were. So even if you think somebody is a likely vandal, unless you are prepared to ban them, give them a welcome message—it reduces their ability to say "I didn't realise...".
If you are interested, [[user talk:Philip J. Rayment/Welcome script|here]] is a script to help with posting welcome notices.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:39, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:Philip, I tried several times to get your Welcome script to add a tab, but couldn't. I'm using Mozilla Firefox version 1.5.0.12. The "welcome" tab simply will not show up.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 12:30, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I installed Firefox 1.5.0.11, and it works for me (shows up at least). I did wonder if for some reason it only works for me, but another user reported getting the tabs at least. I've created a new account for myself to test this and potentially other things, but locking must be disabled at the moment, so I can't edit in my other account! You don't want to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox, do you?
::You should not have the <nowiki><pre></nowiki> tags around the code on your page. Before you put them there, did you force your browser to clear its cache? Unless you do, the code from your javascript page probably won't get reloaded.
::I've also created a debugging version of the code. I'm adding some new instructions [[user talk:Philip J. Rayment/Welcome script|here]] on how to use it. Please give this code a try.
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:39, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
== Non-Sysop contest ==
When we complete the Sysop contest, I'm proposing a similar contest for non-sysops. This would promote a friendly competition with the rest of Conservapedia's editors; with the added benefit to this site.
We've already seen some interest from non-sysops to be in this contest, and I don't think it would be difficult to organize teams similar to our contest (of course we would leave out points for blocking, etc.) --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:10, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
: Good suggestion, Crocoite. Contests are motivators. What do you think of advertising the upcoming team contest on the front page? It might generate even more interest in it, and some people might ask to be on one of the remaining spots.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:17, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I will generate something now for the front page. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::Done. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:36, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
::I like your changes Andy. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 19:13, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
:::When does the contest start? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:19, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
== Deletedpage text ==
Everyone:
If the Deletedpage template has a link to the Main Page, then whenever anyone visits the Main Page and clicks "What links here," they're going to see all those pages, including many having names that we don't want them to see. I propose removing the Main Page link and keeping it removed. If someone needs to get out of a "deleted and protected page," they can click on the logo and get back to the Main Page that way. Let's leave that instruction on deleted pages--not a link to the Main Page.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 14:00, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
:Should we include a line of text in the template saying "Click on the logo to return to the main page"? --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 14:01, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, that would work. But let's all agree on this change.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 14:16, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
==Blogs 4 Brownback==
A user insists on linking the Sam Brownback page to Blogs 4 Brownback, which I think is an obvious parody site (it's most famous for its post "Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine"), and he claims that he "sees no reason to think it's not legitimate). Do you think I'm in the right to want to keep it out? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 01:46, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
:I'm not familiar with the site. Link? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:51, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
: Saying heliocentrism is atheistic is a parody. You're right to keep it out, unless Philip feels strongly otherwise.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 01:51, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/heliocentrism-is-an-atheist-doctrine/ [[User:DanH|DanH]] 01:53, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
::Yeah, I reckon that's got to be a spoof site. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:28, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
:Good catch DanH. Your analysis looks on target. This was a tuff one, but it does appear to be disinformation to divide the GOP. One of the team founders states, "My primary focus is conservative (not necessarily GOP) politics. [http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/mission/] and "I want voters to “just say no” to RINOs."
:Also, Brownback, McCain, & Hillary Clinton are all U.S. Senators, yet this site refers to Hillary as a "kook" and engages in namecalling on McCain as well. While Senate Democrats may have no qualms about violating Senate rules by trashing and mocking other members of the U.S. Senate publicly, this is a clear distinction between Conservative Republican values and the Democrats win-at-any-cost philosophy. The site does more to promote division among potential GOP voters, than find common ground. Look how savagely Romney is trashed. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:15, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
== Style manual proposals ==
I've started a couple of discussions on [[Conservapedia:Manual of Style|Style manual]] matters, for which I'd appreciate some feedback.
# [[Conservapedia talk:Manual of Style#quotes|Quote boxes]].
# [[Conservapedia talk:Footnotes - technical help#Footnote style|Footnote/referencing styles]]
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:13, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
:So far, one sysop has commented on one of those. So does that mean that if I add my views to the Manual of Style that nobody here is going to object? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:47, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
::<small>''(Comment from Conservative moved to [[Conservapedia talk:Footnotes - technical help#Footnote style]].))''</small>
== This is what I like to see ==
A fairly new editor asked for the [[World of Warcraft]] article to be unlocked so that he could add to it. It was, and he added a lot. Too much, apparently (not malicious, just unencyclopedic). Two other editors (mainly one other) have jumped in and cut it down to size. And all, as far as I know, without one of us having to issue any warnings, lockings, or do any other intervention. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:47, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
:Hmmm, perhaps I spoke a bit hastily. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] now claims that the cuts that have been made are to the content the previously-protecting sysop put in, and he's reverted the cuts.
:Nevertheless, he is suggesting that they discuss the matter before making any drastic changes. At this stage, still no reason to jump in—let's see if they can sort it out themselves.
:[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:42, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
== Problem loading pages ==
For a browser, I normally use Maxthon, which is based on the IE engine. It has a known bug with opening links in specific circumstances, but I can load those links if I use IE itself or Firefox. However, I've found some pages that I can't load even with IE or Firefox. The page all have an ampersand in the name, and the ampersand is obviously the problem. Are others able to load these pages? Unless it's just a problem I'm having, I will move these pages to a different name (there is a way I can do it without opening the page first).
A couple of these already have duplicates without an ampersand, suggesting that others ''do'' have this problem.
The list below is just the ones that appear on the uncategorised pages list; there may be more than these.
* [[Dharma & Greg]]
* [[Illiad & Odyssey]]
* [[Penn & Teller]]
* [[Texas A&M]]
* [[Titus & Domitian]]
* [[Tyne & Wear]]
* [[United States Center for Faith-Based & Community Initiatives]]
* [[Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer]]
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:56, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
::I can't get them with the latest versions of either Firefox or IE. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 04:30, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Okay, I'm moving them. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:21, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
==Alexa==
Yesterday's numbers were pretty good (26,585); [http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=conservapedia.com%2F&site1=&site2=&site3=&site4=&y=t&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=7d&size=Medium&url=conservapedia.com/] best in a month. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:28, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
== User name guide ==
I propose putting the following information on the login/create account pages:
{{QuoteBox|'''Note:''' Offensive user names will result in that user name being blocked and perhaps your IP address being blocked. Frivolous user names, names of prominent living persons, and user names consisting of, for example, all capital letters or all the same character, may also result in that user name being blocked. User names based on your real name or initials are preferred.<br /><br />
If you have an existing account that has been '''blocked''', do '''not''' create a new account to appeal the block. Instead, contact an Administrator, as explained [[Conservapedia:Editor's guide#If you get blocked|here]]}}
I'm not 100% happy with that wording, but I think that something along this line would be a good idea. What do others think? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:25, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
:Sorry I missed this! Perfect idea! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 05:40, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
::Okay, this proposal has been here almost a week now, and has no dissenters and one vote of support, so I will implement it. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:30, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
*Perfect, Philip! I did forget to give this Ed Poor's approval as well, so as his alter-ego & unappointed official spokesperson, I hereby do so. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:24, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
:: It didn't work out quite the way I hoped, but it's not too bad. The [[Special:Userlogin|login page]] should have the text to the right of the box instead of underneath it, but on the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup create account page] it should be underneath. When I first posted the text, there was an awful-looking narrow strip of text down the right of the create-account box, so I had to use a {{tt|clear:both}} to move it underneath, but this moves it underneath the Login box also. It does appear possible to have two separate blocks of text, one for each page, which could solve the problem, but CreationWiki, from which I figured out the bit to change, doesn't have this problem, so I don't know what's causing it here. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:31, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
== State governor images ==
I received this email:
<blockquote>AManInBlack <maninblack3125@yahoo.com>AddSunday, July 15, 2007 11:00:55 PMTo:Crocoite <crocoitecp@yahoo.com></blockquote>
<blockquote>Anyway, what I was there to talk to you about was state governor images. While the US federal government does release any possible copyright claim on its products, state governments don't necessarily follow suit. In fact, most don't. These images unfortunately aren't in the public domain.
Copyright issues are always some of the thorniest, and I don't want to see CP getting into trouble over this sort of thing.</blockquote>
These photos were copied from .gov sites, with a link to the actual photo. Is there a copyright problem or is this guy just blowing smoke? --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 03:18, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:From what I seem to recall reading before, I think he's probably correct. It depends on the individual government (federal, state, or otherwise). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:01, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
I am starting to email each individual state for permission to use these photos on our site for educational use only. I will add the positive responses to the photo credits and remove any images where the permission is denied. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 04:17, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*He is incorrect. All levels of government grant rights of use for educational and non-commerical use, as Andy has posted many times. Therefore he is both correct and not, depending on the useage. We are fine. I would add that in the future, none of us should be rushing around in reaction to this kind of thing, okay? Such emails should always be forwarded directly to Andy, and then we should wait before removing things, etc. If some of us were signed into IM, this could have been cleared up rather quickly. ;-) This user continues to make my block finger itchy, and I simply don't care who they are at WP. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:26, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:Please scratch your finger. From what I've seen, AManInBlack's being doing good work. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:32, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
You wanna make a wager, my intuition against your "facts", mate? :p I distrust any editor emailing a Sysop about legal matters, instead of Andy, especially such well-known matters as images, and their release for all educational and non-profit use. We need to guard against users pushing us toward Wikipedian conventions. Those in contact with this guy, please feel free to pass on to him he most certainly has my attention now. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 06:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
== Deleted Page ==
*Is there something being tinkered with, that perhaps would be better shared (and explained in detail) with the Sysops? [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#deletedpage] --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 17:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::Look at the log for the page. It was deleted a few days ago, yet many pages still redirected to it. It was then recreated by a vandal as the definition of fornication so all the pages redirected to the definition of fornication. I was the one who removed the content and protected it, then it was deleted as Andy removed the vandals work. I asked if it should be deleted, protected or restored? now he restored it so all is well. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 17:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::*Just saying I wish TerryH would post here, explaining to the rest of us, what it is he is doing. The reason being, if it happens again, we will know how to fix it instantly. I did ask about this before, never was answered, and could have fixed it if only I was informed, as I am sure others could have. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 18:12, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::* For everyone's information, all I remember doing was changing the template to remove the explicit link to the Main Page. Instead, the text of "DeletedPage" (whether in the main or the Conservapedia namespace) should instruct the viewer to click on the Conservapedia logo to get back to the Main Page. If the ''link'' to the Main Page remains, then suddenly the Main Page links to a lot of deleted pages, some of which have titles that are ''not'' family friendly. With my refinement, those pages become dead-end pages, and that's as it ought to be.
:::*I don't know who deleted the template entirely. I did not do it.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 20:34, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*Well, I have deleted it many times, having been directed there automatically, and thinking I was still on the deleted page, deleting it again, lol! But my earlier post wasn't about that, but about the bit on Andy's page, and Bohdan's comments someone was working on it, I looked and saw the last edit as TerryH, but didn't note the time or date....;-) --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 20:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:*The last time I did anything on Conservapedia:Deletedpage was to change its form and content to the form and content it now has.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Well, then the post by Bohdan on Andy's page remains a mystery, lol! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 21:14, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
::::Look again. The post about work being done was by someone else. All I did was remove some vandalism. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 21:15, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
*Well, you, someone else, something was posted, and it was about some work being done, right? So, it still remains a mystery! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 22:44, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
== Clarification and categories ==
So anything that is under the 'Sysop' namespace is only viewable by sysops and above?
and
Categories - I'm urging everyone to take part in putting categories in the existing articles. We only have around 1,600 articles to categorise.
[[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 09:16, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Regarding this namespace, yes, that's the theory (although the edit comments are viewable by anybody in the Recent changes list). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:46, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
*It helps if you make the subheader something general, say like: "Question about..." and then start below with the person's name...that way the summary won't reveal what you are specifically what you are talking about. Anything really confidential, or something you only want other sysops to read, just use the email. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 19:31, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
== Navigation Aids.. ==
We could sure use a navigation template for these protected pages! Something that has links and a BACK button to all of them. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 15:51, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
:Geo created a [[sysop:portal|portal]] page for these protected pages, but it never got far. I didn't want to chase Geo up on it until the contest stuff was out of the way, but I think that TK has a good idea here. Given that the number of sysop-namespace pages will never be large (I think), then a navigation box listing all the pages is probably more useful than the portal. As for the back button—???. What's wrong with your browser's "back" button? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:45, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
*Back browser? (Horrified expression) Pish! Like on the Sysop Contest, a back button to take one to the table of contents! Of course if there were a nifty template at the bottom, like the one that lists Presidents, with the page titles to click on, that would be super-super as well! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 23:10, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
:So you wanted to browse your back? <shock> The "back" button on the table of contents was not really a back button, unless one assumes that that's where you've just come from. But a link to take you to a contents page would be fine, if there was such a thing (the portal page) that was any use, which I think it wouldn't be if the navigation box handled it all.
:The problem with a navigation box at the bottom of what are essentially talk pages is that clicking the "+" tab to create a new section would add that new section ''below'' the navigation box, which means that it would no longer be at the bottom. So I'd suggest that the navigation boxes on these sysop pages should be at the top.
:I'm happy to create the template for the navigation box myself, and I'd do it in sysop namespace rather than template namespace, but I think that it will render Geo's portal page redundant, so I'd rather wait for him to comment before I do that.
:[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:57, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
*Wasn't the portal page part of the problem with security? Or was it the re-directs? Anyway, I left Geo a message. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 00:40, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
== AIM ==
I've recently signed up with a screen name at AIM messenger with niandraconserve@hotmail.com
With the help of TK, I have added a few of your addresses. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 05:36, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
==Main Page Attack==
I'm almost positive it's traffic from Ebaumsworld.com--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 08:45, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:I would have protected the template earlier if I knew it was being used on the main page! [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:49, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
::I think it's only been used on the front page for a few days. You've had a busy evening, Niandra! [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:53, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Shows in the block log! [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:56, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
::::Have you had time to do anything else? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:57, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, I had tea a few hours ago, I haven't really been online here for that long, it's just the amount of blockings all came within a short time. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 08:58, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
*Yes, it interupted a rare and lovely chat it did! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 12:40, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
And now last night, again, reference to Ebaumsworld in the six or so vandalized pages. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 16:47, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==Warning==
I believe that Dramian1337 is a friend of Superjack, for several reasons based on Superjack's vandalism. Also, his obsession with code/hacking is worrisome and the number "1337" is common slang among hackers. We need to keep a close eye on this user. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:55, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:Big-time watch. He already has included several articles about hackers and hacking ("leet speek" is one), but what I find more confirming than that is his inclusion of the Norse god "Loki", and that's all he says about it. What's '''not''' included is the fact that Loki is the god of subversive chaos and anarchy, as well as being the basis for ''The Mask'' starring Jim Carrey. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:57, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #1==
[[User:Ore765]] posted patently false information in the David Obey article [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=David_Obey&diff=prev&oldid=240847] (See [[ 110th United States Congress#Earmark reform]] for why). He's been rather active, all his contribs need to be checked. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:16, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
==[[Anti-Flag]]==
Do we need this article? All it does is push the anti-American rhetoric in CP by our liberal "friends", as usual. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:10, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
*Article history:
<blockquote>
16:22, 28 April 2007 Hojimachong -- New page: '''Anti-Flag''' is an American punk band from the United States. The lyrics of the band often criticize the irresponsible capitalistic of large corporations.
</blockquote>
:It is a Pop Culture entry, and if kept, shouldn't be allowed to veer from a basic description of the group, IMO. Andy has said we need to guard against clogging CP with too much pop culture references, like Wikipedia does. I should think a template could come in handy here, with a main article about Punk Bands, and a template listing them. Instead of 50 idiot like articles on each and every minor punk band who ever recorded a one hit wonder. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 17:16, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
== Templates vandalized ==
The following templates were vandalized and Niandra reverted them:
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Tt&curid=29690&diff=250867&oldid=250858 Template:Tt] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:T_row_if&curid=30449&diff=250868&oldid=250859 Template:T row if] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:QuoteBox2&curid=34091&diff=250865&oldid=250856 Template:QuoteBox2] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Public_domain_image&curid=26461&diff=250864&oldid=250853 Template:Public domain image] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:User_GunControLovedByTotalitarians&curid=25023&diff=250863&oldid=250852 Template:User GunControLovedByTotalitarians] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Unprotected&curid=14153&diff=250862&oldid=250851 Template:Unprotected] <br>
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:President&curid=32836&diff=250861&oldid=250850 Template:President]
When I saw these templates were vandalized, protecting them seemed necessary.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=Crocoite&page=] Vandalizing a template has the potential to affect a larger number of articles, and all templates should be protected similar to pics. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 04:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
:In my opinion, there is no need for blanket protection of all templates. And most of those template have very little use on article pages, so for most of them, being van<i></i>dalised for a short time until reversion is no big deal. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:13, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
== New Template Policy ==
Andy has asked me to help implement a new policy dealing with templates, and work with Philip and others in getting it off the ground. The attack this morning by a vandal, or vandals, on them, and the recent vandal attack on the main page template, is one of them main reasons for changing what we have been doing.
Here is what we have come up with:
1. Create a special page for user-designed templates to be placed for review by PhilipR and our more template minded sysops. Templates would be displayed, along with the currently required documentation.
2. Upon his approval (or any Sysop who is technically savvy enough to do so) they would be added to our existing list of approved templates for general use. This page will also remain locked to prevent editors from adding unauthorized templates to it.
3. This policy would be that before any editor can place the more complicated tables and templates upon pages, they will need to be reviewed per #1 above, and that those templates will be locked to prevent any changes after approval. Users wanting to change them can merely ask a sysop to open them, and leave a note for Philip so he can have a look to make sure the changes are benign.
4. These changes would include “user boxes”. Heretofore they have been excluded, however many have linked theirs to user created categories such as “Gay Conservapedians” “Liberals on Conservapedia” which has made it easier to locate others of a like mind, and sometimes those boxes have been altered to include a link to RW, etc. This is of course unacceptable.
Anyone who wants to create the page, and format it, please proceed! It will need a short introduction, detailing our new policy, and smoothing this over, so as to cause the least amount of complications to our best contributors.
--[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 04:45, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
::All of the templates are protected. [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 06:14, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Thank you so very much! --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 08:30, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
We do not have an "existing list of approved templates". The existing [[help:templates|list of templates]] specifically says that listing there does not imply endorsement of any of them.
The "working with Philip" involves telling me that the new policy is ''fait accompli''. So I hereby give my approval in advance for all new templates that are not vandalism, offensive, or etc. After all, a vandal is hardly going to abide by this policy anyway, is he?
Despite the desire "to cause the least amount of complications to our best contributors", this policy does precisely the opposite. Most of the high-risk templates were already protected, so this new policy achieves little except to disenfranchise editors.
Oh, by the way, as this is a private sysop-only page, I trust that nobody will object to me expressing my opinion, especially as it wasn't sought before the policy was decided.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 12:26, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
*No, Philip I am sure no one will complain about Andy's decision. And it was his alone, based upon dozens of emails sent back and forth about templates over the past two months or so. Given the attack recently, and before, it seems more than prudent, less than ideal...but what in life is? ;-) --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 21:01, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
== main page templates ==
Just to reiterate..
The templates: AboutC, Tfa and Newsline aren't in use for the main page.
They have been replaced by [[Template:mainpageleft]] and [[Template:mainpageright]]
[[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 10:53, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
:Should I delete the talk page I just made and use this one instead? [[User:DeborahB.|DeborahB.]] 10:54, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
::Just use the general main page discussion page? [[User:Niandra|<font color="#4d4d4d">Niandra</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Niandra|talk]]</sup> 10:58, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #2==
[[User:Jalepeno]] is back. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Democratic_Unionist_Party&curid=39248&diff=251791&oldid=246571&rcid=270201] Here created all these accounts (I might have missed a few). Plus,
*[[User:Uncle Jalapeno]] (0 bytes)
*[[:Category talk:Uncle Jalapeno]] (39 bytes)
*[[:Category:Uncle Jalapeno]] (39 bytes)
*[[User talk:Jalapeno]] (582 bytes)
18:48, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno19 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:48, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno18 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:27, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno17 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:26, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno16 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:24, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno15 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:22, 19 May 2007, Bohdan (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno14 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:21, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno13 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:20, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno12 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:16, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno11 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
18:14, 19 May 2007, DanH (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno10 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:12, 19 May 2007, DanH (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno9 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock)
18:09, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno8 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
17:59, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno7 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
17:54, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno6 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
09:44, 19 May 2007, BenjaminS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno5 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock of unclejalepeno3 & 4)
09:19, 19 May 2007, Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno4 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock)
09:07, 19 May 2007, Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno3 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (sock)
00:12, 19 May 2007, RobS (Talk | contribs | block) blocked UncleJalapeno2 (contribs) (infinite, account creation blocked) (unblock) (vandal)
[[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:28, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
*If memory serves me, there was email about this user, that I had, or DanH had. I beleive the IP's are completely different for Jalapeno and the Uncle series. Dan might remember better than me. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 12:39, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
I remember that being the case, although I think that Geo.plrd was actually the one who investigated it. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 12:49, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #3==
[[User:Conservativeguy]] maybe a sock of [[User:Ilovegeorgew]]. IP 67.134.189.66
26 July 2007 12:07 Democratic Party (diff; hist) . . (-52) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block)
25 July 2007 16:23 Yale University (diff; hist) . . (+1,662) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block)
15:16 San Francisco (diff; hist) . . (-1) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block) (Grammatical error)
15:10 (User creation log) (diff; hist) . . Conservativeguy (Talk | contribs | block) (New user)
23 July 2007 16:53 Rush Limbaugh (diff; hist) . . (+58) . . Ilovegeorgew (Talk | contribs | block) (grammatical errors)
15:51 (User creation log) (diff; hist) . . Ilovegeorgew (Talk | contribs | block) (New user)
[[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:41, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
==Case #4==
[[User:Taj]] - disinformation. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Eleanor_Roosevelt&diff=prev&oldid=169679] [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:02, 28 July 2007 (EDT)
== New Policy.... ==
This was presented by Andy, and added to the Style Manual here [[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style]], under "What Not To Add To Articles". --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 19:46, 27 July 2007 (EDT)