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Talk:Universal Health Care (view source)
Revision as of 12:25, August 10, 2007
, 12:25, August 10, 2007→[[Socialized medicine]]: good definitions, but watch out for advocacy
:::I couldn't, in my rather limited search, find anything that suggests Canada isn't socialized medicine, with the exception of a WP article which didn't seem correctly cited. I'm sure there are people who say it's not socialized, but it seems to me that these people are wrong. They probably make the argument to get people more comfortable with the idea of socialized medicine. Kinda like when your mom tells you there aren't any vegetables in the casserole... and then tells you when you are done eating that there in fact ''were''!
:::I couldn't, in my rather limited search, find anything that suggests Canada isn't socialized medicine, with the exception of a WP article which didn't seem correctly cited. I'm sure there are people who say it's not socialized, but it seems to me that these people are wrong. They probably make the argument to get people more comfortable with the idea of socialized medicine. Kinda like when your mom tells you there aren't any vegetables in the casserole... and then tells you when you are done eating that there in fact ''were''!
:::How do you feel about either of those two sources as a definition of SM? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 23:10, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
:::How do you feel about either of those two sources as a definition of SM? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 23:10, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
The student web site gives a good distinction between [[single-payer]] and [[socialized medicine]]:
*Under socialized medicine (such as in the United Kingdom), the government controls all aspects of the health care system, from financing to delivery. [http://www.amsa.org/pdf/model.pdf]
The other definition is good, too (let's use both):
*Socialized medicine: A system of health care in which all health personnel and health facilities, including doctors and hospitals, work for the government and draw salaries from the government. [http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25521]
But the student web site is an advocacy site which exaggerates benefits of single-payer while hiding ALL the drawbacks. There's even some misleading math. (As an SAT prep tutor, I ''shudder'' at that!)
However, single-payer is a step (perhaps the second-to-last step) on the way to "full government control" of medical care.
I think the article should be re-titled [[Universal health insurance]]. We should also write a stub article explaining that "[[universal health care]]" is a motto or slogan.
[[Health care]] is an actual service. [[Health insurance]] is a payment system. I just read (okay, from a pro-freemarket site ;-) an assertion that ''advocates'' of UHI tend to use the term UHC in a misleading way. They say 1 in 6 Americans don't have access to health ''care'', but if David Hogberg is correct, then everyone in the U.S. has been able get care regardless of income since 1986; see [[Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act]].
We need to separate (partisan) advocacy for ''insurance'' systems from objective (factual) descriptions of the actual delivery of service and appliances.
More summer research for you, Jazzman! :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 08:25, 10 August 2007 (EDT)