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::Are there alternative terms that could be used, such as "Islamic communities", "Islamic areas", "Islamic societies", or something along that line?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

::Are there alternative terms that could be used, such as "Islamic communities", "Islamic areas", "Islamic societies", or something along that line?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:24, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

:::That's what is in there now, "Islamic countries", of course this then opens the debate, which ones? what about some "Islamic countries" that do have a modicum of multiculturalism? (Iran, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia spring instantly to mind); then you have to debate the relative merits of each "Islamic [[nation state]]'s" involvement in human trafficing or the slave trade, and within which specific timeframe (i.e. after to the "Islamic state" recieived so-called "indepenence"?, or the previous 1400 years?).  

:::That's what is in there now, "Islamic countries", of course this then opens the debate, which ones? what about some "Islamic countries" that do have a modicum of multiculturalism? (Iran, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia spring instantly to mind); then you have to debate the relative merits of each "Islamic [[nation state]]'s" involvement in human trafficing or the slave trade, and within which specific timeframe (i.e. after to the "Islamic state" recieived so-called "indepenence"?, or the previous 1400 years?).  

:::All this ignores the underlying idea that Islam for 1400 did not have local prisons to incarcerate incorrible offenders, but rather Islamic communities along the pilgrimage route just sold off the town drunk to a passing slave caravan headed for Mecca where he could be resold at a higher price to someone rich enough to make the pilgrimage, and be resettled in some other part of the world (or more specifically, the Realm of Peace). The slave market at Taif, 40 miles outside Mecca, was not shut down until 1962, and only then under pressure from the International Chiristian/Jewish community that established things like the [[International Monetary Fund]] to manage world trade, so that the Saudi rule clique could represent themselves rather than be dominated by Western Imperial powers such as the British Empire or the United States.   

:::All this ignores the underlying idea that Islam for 1400 years did not have local prisons to incarcerate incorrible offenders, but rather Islamic communities along the pilgrimage route just sold off the town drunk to a passing slave caravan headed for Mecca where he could be resold at a higher price to someone rich enough to make the pilgrimage, and be resettled in some other part of the world (or more specifically, the Realm of Peace). The slave market at Taif, 40 miles outside Mecca, was not shut down until 1962, and only then under pressure from the International Chiristian/Jewish community that established things like the [[International Monetary Fund]] to manage world trade, so that the Saudi rule clique could represent themselves rather than be dominated by Western Imperial powers such as the British Empire or the United States.   

:::This seemed to upset people like [[Osama bin Laden]], who feel the Saudi ruling clique has no legitimate title to being the Keepers of the Holy Places, and were only installed by this Western Chiristian and Jewish conspiracy against Islam (it is somewhat akin to having Muslims install their choice of the Roman Pope as the Vicar of Christ).

:::This seemed to upset people like [[Osama bin Laden]], who feel the Saudi ruling clique has no legitimate title to being the Keepers of the Holy Places, and were only installed by this Western Chiristian and Jewish conspiracy against Islam (it is somewhat akin to having Muslims install their choice of the Roman Pope as the Vicar of Christ).

:::Bottomline, Islam condones slavery; and in fact, slavery has been a vital part of keeping social order in Islam for 1400 years.  Only so-called "modernization", imported from the West, led to things like Abu Ghraib being built, and destroyed Islamic customs (one being, disposing of problem offenders in a commuinty to pilgrimage caravans headed for the slave market at Taif, rather that keeping them locked up locally).

:::Bottomline, Islam condones slavery; and in fact, slavery has been a vital part of keeping social order in Islam for 1400 years.  Only so-called "modernization", imported from the West, led to things like Abu Ghraib being built, and destroyed Islamic customs (one being, disposing of problem offenders in a commuinty to pilgrimage caravans headed for the slave market at Taif, rather that keeping them locked up locally).

:::Ahhh.... the march of progess.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 10:31, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

:::Ahhh.... the march of progess.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 10:31, 21 August 2007 (EDT)