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::::*Wait, so you are basing your Marxist claims on a reference I've never seen? That's a bit of a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ALiberal&diff=275823&oldid=275814 non-sequiter], don't you think? I never used that source for class, or for this discussion, and until you linked to it I have never read it. It is an anonymous blog, not an international politics authority, and has no bearing in this discussion whatsoever.
::::*Wait, so you are basing your Marxist claims on a reference I've never seen? That's a bit of a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ALiberal&diff=275823&oldid=275814 non-sequiter], don't you think? I never used that source for class, or for this discussion, and until you linked to it I have never read it. It is an anonymous blog, not an international politics authority, and has no bearing in this discussion whatsoever.
::::In conclusion: it's my responsibility to prove that I am qualified (which you define as "gives the answer I want to hear"), even though there's really no way for you to know if I'm qualified, since you aren't familiar with the subject matter. Against my repeated denials, and my declaration on my user page and elsewhere (and my 1000+ uncontested edits to Conservapedia), you continue to call me a "commie" (which is, by the way, a dasparaging remark). You claim my book (which you have not read) is propaganda, my teacher (whom you have not met) is a Marxist, and the entire field of international politics (in which you have had zero hours of training) is secretly a liberal plot to promote socialism, and I'm just not smart enough to notice. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 17:43, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
::::In conclusion: it's my responsibility to prove that I am qualified (which you define as "gives the answer I want to hear"), even though there's really no way for you to know if I'm qualified, since you aren't familiar with the subject matter. Against my repeated denials, and my declaration on my user page and elsewhere (and my 1000+ uncontested edits to Conservapedia), you continue to call me a "commie" (which is, by the way, a dasparaging remark). You claim my book (which you have not read) is propaganda, my teacher (whom you have not met) is a Marxist, and the entire field of international politics (in which you have had zero hours of training) is secretly a liberal plot to promote socialism, and I'm just not smart enough to notice. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 17:43, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
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Ok let's beat a dead horse a little more. I never said anything about you. I refered to some of the arguments and claims you made as being marxist, and you specifically declaimed them all and blamed your teachers. I asked you to clarify a few times who was speaking, but never got a straight answer.
Here's what I think you and/or your teachers are trying to say:
:*Liberalism is defined by "liberal institutions" such as the [[United Nations]], and the rule of law.
:*[[Realpolitik]] characterized a succession of events and crises that finally precipitated the formulation of the United Nations.
So while you and/or your teachers are presenting this basic concept as a study in contrasts, it's really more of an historical progression or development. And using the term "realist" or "realism" create added confusion; there is nothing wrong with the term ''Realpolitik'' and that is the term IP 101 should be studying. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 18:19, 25 August 2007 (EDT)