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:::::Are you really that thick Rob? [[User:NadhoB|NadhoB]] 20:48, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
:::::Are you really that thick Rob? [[User:NadhoB|NadhoB]] 20:48, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
::::::''My little finger is thicker than my father's loins.'' (1 Kings 12:10). [http://bible.cc/1_kings/12-10.htm] [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 21:06, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
::::::''My little finger is thicker than my father's loins.'' (1 Kings 12:10). [http://bible.cc/1_kings/12-10.htm] [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 21:06, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
:::::(I'm going to ignore the "loin" comment, because frankly it brings to mind disturbing images.)
:::::I'm assume, since you are a historian (which I believe without having you prove it, by the way), that you know that those three Germans you mentioned didn't skirt the UN, since they all died before the UN's formation. I'm guessing what you meant by the "goobledygook (sic)" comment is that those four were all realists? If so, you are making the false assumption that if one or many members of a group are bad then all must be bad. The United States is a realist power, and like it or not, some dictatorships are also realist powers. This isn't Marxist opinion, it's a fact (and anyway you haven't shown any glorification of Marxist ideas, only the association of "good" ideas with "bad" ones). So, if I use your logic, the United States can't be realist, because only bad guys are realist. This, by process of elimination, makes us liberal instead, which by your definition (the definition on the main article) means that as leader of our country, President Bush supports abortion, high taxes, same-sex marriage, fair trade, labor unions and globalism? That doesn't seem right to me, but then again, I only have a background in international politics, not world history.
:::::I ask again (third time's the charm, I hope): what are you looking for? I will not change my answer, because I do not profess to know more than an entire field of political scientists. Can I ever convince you that I am actually right, or will you only stop when I stand down and say that you (someone who has no experience in the field) know better than I? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 16:05, 27 August 2007 (EDT)