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::I'm just butting in here, but I think the country would be much better off without the UN. They are way too libral and only seek to stop the United States from taking actions, like in Iraq. As for the second point, Liberalism does not need democracy to florish--look at Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. --[[User:Todd16|Todd]] 20:27, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
::I'm just butting in here, but I think the country would be much better off without the UN. They are way too libral and only seek to stop the United States from taking actions, like in Iraq. As for the second point, Liberalism does not need democracy to florish--look at Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. --[[User:Todd16|Todd]] 20:27, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
::*''Rob does not have a background in international politics'''
:::Problem three. Minor problem, as long as you are willing to learn new ideas.
::*''Rob clearly doesn't read my entire post, but still expects to understand my entire argument''
:::Problem four. A larger problem, because I'm starting to get tired of repeating myself.
::*''Rob wants to apply '''his''' definition to liberalism (as well as realism, actor, and political power) then claim my examples don't fit '''my''' definition.
:::Problem five. Pretty major hurtle to overcome, which really stems from a combination of problems three and four. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 20:40, 27 August 2007 (EDT)