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Talk:Human Rights Watch (view source)
Revision as of 15:19, August 29, 2007
, 15:19, August 29, 2007→Call for a substantial rewrite: I'm not that sharp... :D
::Not to make this personal, but if you (or anyone) really cares about human rights they ought to have one consistent standard that they apply to all countries. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:54, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
::Not to make this personal, but if you (or anyone) really cares about human rights they ought to have one consistent standard that they apply to all countries. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:54, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
:::Well you've got me there, I haven't presented any evidence so I certainly haven't supported myself with any. :) As for making this personal, I'm happy to share my beliefs with you. I do believe in a consistent standard, one that isn't mitigated by political expedience. I don't let terrorists and oppressive regimes off the hook (albeit my personal hook is a tiny one).
:::Where I see the problem, and this likewise isn't meant to be personal, is that the facts are hardly as conclusive as you make them out to be. There ''are'' people in this world, and I'll freely admit that I'm one of them, who see the HRW in a different light. Our point of view (roughly, as with many things there are degrees) is that there is a tendency in countries like the US to say "those people are much worse than us" and use that as an excuse to behave poorly. Take, for example, your source for the David Horowitz quote (footnote #45). The quote itself is accurate, I'm not accusing you of "quote-mining", but the article quotes Horowitz as an example of over-blown criticism with which the article's author disagrees.
:::I know you are against NPOV, as it makes false balance out of non-equal arguments at times. I even agree; few things irritate me more than those man-on-the-street pieces where one person from each side of an argument is quoted, leaving out any sense of how many people agree with each side. That being said, I believe that you are erring on the other side of the spectrum, taking as settled fact a stance that is, in fact, not so settled.
:::Before you say it, no, I won't go and find stuff to counter you. I'm not a huge supported of HRW I think there's another author here that is and will probably be willing to find the evidence for you. My interest, as per usual, is clarity of thought.
:::And, also per usual, I'm not going to get into the finer points of liberal hypocrisies on a CP talk page. I'm not in the habit of tilting at windmills. [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 11:19, 29 August 2007 (EDT) ''<-Does like 'Man of La Mancha,' though....''