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/* Sunset clauses */
*Creating Strategic Vision, LONG-RANGE PLANNING FOR NATIONAL SECURITY, Perry M. Smith Jerrold P. Allen John H. Stewart II F. Douglas Whitehouse WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY NEWT GINGR1CH., 1987. [http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%20-%201980%20to%201989/Creating%20Strategic%20Vision%20-%20July%2087/CSVLRP.pdf] [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 14:18, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
 
:I'm not saying Newt Gingrich didn't use sunset clauses; your sources among countless others show this to be true. Sunset clauses have been around, well, since laws have been around. What I ''am'' saying is that it's a bit of a reach to say that Gingrich (or Gingrich-style reforms) had anything to do with the sunset clauses in the Patriot Act. It's an obvious rhetorical attempt to give conservatives credit for something they didn't do. Liberals are the ones who have problems with parts of the Patriot Act, not conservatives, and it makes the most logical sense for liberals to be the ones to want to add sunset clauses to a bill with such large changes. Liberals are more likely to argue that the act is allowable in an emergency situation and conservatives are more likely to argue that the changes are needed for an ongoing fight with terror. If this isn't the case, and conservatives voluntarily constrained themselves in the spirit of cooperation, it needs to be properly referenced, especially considering there's already (sourced) language in the article which suggests otherwise. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:24, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
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