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:Meh. Good thing the same can't be said for Rob or me, or CP would be getting some very negative headlines!! (Don't think WP's ever had a suicidal editor). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:45, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
:Meh. Good thing the same can't be said for Rob or me, or CP would be getting some very negative headlines!! (Don't think WP's ever had a suicidal editor). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:45, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
==Digression==
Jazzman: the point you've been driving at on the ''realism v liberalism'' has always been understood, how ''liberalism'' stands for everything true, noble and good, and ''realism'' is the domain of killers and Satanists (like Bismarck, the Kaiser, Hitler, Saddam, and GW Bush), I direct your attention to some primary source research I am heavily involved in which anaylizes the founders of this brave new world, the aspirations of the dictators and progenators of these noble "liberal institutions" :
:"As these three men sat down to confer, two of them, [[Stalin]] and [[Churchill]], were '''[[realist]]s''' with their eyes fixed on definite objectives in the interest of their respective governments. They wanted specific and realizable things. Roosevelt deceived himself into believing that the mere meeting of himself and Stalin was "half his battle" as he told [his son] Elliott, and that, for the rest, he wanted to create a condition of mutual trust and understanding . ''Specific agreements about the postwar world could wait, trusting to mutual good will to provide the desired solutions'' ."
:"Major General Deane, who was at all the conferences as the head of the U.S. Military Mission, wrote :
::'Stalin appeared to know just what he wanted at the conference . This was also true of Churchill, ''but not of [[Franklin Roosevelt|Roosevelt]]'' . . . His apparent indecision was probably the result of our [[obscure]] [[foreign policy]] ."'(Italics added) 74
:"General Deane points out that Roosevelt was thinking of winning the war but that Stalin and Churchill were thinking of ''their relative positions when the war was won''. Stalin got everything he wanted everything without any exceptions . Churchill did not, because Roosevelt, in pursuit of his vain policy, sided with Stalin against Churchill . Roosevelt got nothing, as we shall see . He got, of course, the [[United Nations]]." ([http://americandeception.com/index.php?action=downloadpdf&photo=/PDFsml_AD/The_Roosevelt_Myth-John_T_Flynn-1948-444pgs-POL.sml.pdf&id=276&PHPSESSID=03d3557b41f249f71349e6d730cc8498 pgs. 353-354]) [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 11:36, 5 September 2007 (EDT)