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:Oh? And evolution asks you to believe that we, animals, plants, earth, even the entire UNIVERSE came about by pure chance! Come on, if that's not a fairy tale I don't know what is. It makes a lot more "logical sense" to believe that there's an Intelligent Designer here. Your comments prove to me that you really know little to nothing of the Bible, that you've just read some biased evolutionist's view of it. Read it for yourself; it makes a lot more sense if you do that. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 09:11, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

:Oh? And evolution asks you to believe that we, animals, plants, earth, even the entire UNIVERSE came about by pure chance! Come on, if that's not a fairy tale I don't know what is. It makes a lot more "logical sense" to believe that there's an Intelligent Designer here. Your comments prove to me that you really know little to nothing of the Bible, that you've just read some biased evolutionist's view of it. Read it for yourself; it makes a lot more sense if you do that. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 09:11, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::Then perhaps you should also believe Scientology's story of Xenu and his Thetons. Why not?(I'm NOT a Scientologist btw.) Because its just as likely and provable as the Bible stories. Evolution does not ask us to believe the Earth/Universe came about by pure chance, evolution has nothing to do with the origin on the Universe. The diversity of life comes from tiny incremental steps through natural selection ( a simple logical process ). The origin of life on Earth is unlikely yes, but all it needed was one chance to start then it could sustain itself (in the same way that fire can). --[[User:Sm355|Sm355]] 09:37, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::Then perhaps you should also believe Scientology's story of Xenu and his Thetans. Why not?(I'm NOT a Scientologist btw.) Because its just as likely and provable as the Bible stories. Evolution does not ask us to believe the Earth/Universe came about by pure chance, evolution has nothing to do with the origin on the Universe. The diversity of life comes from tiny incremental steps through natural selection ( a simple logical process ). The origin of life on Earth is unlikely yes, but all it needed was one chance to start then it could sustain itself (in the same way that fire can). --[[User:Sm355|Sm355]] 09:37, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::Actually do you have anything more compelling than a preferential objection to the idea that natural law and chance are responsible for the evolution of the universe?  Not to be confused with biological evolution which is an actual science.  If you do have more than a preferential objection I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to hear it.  Otherwise unless you can prove the existence of an intelligent designer or prove that the universe could not have come into existence through chance acting upon natural processes you cannot claim that the idea of an intelligent deisgner is "more logical".

::Actually do you have anything more compelling than a preferential objection to the idea that natural law and chance are responsible for the evolution of the universe?  Not to be confused with biological evolution which is an actual science.  If you do have more than a preferential objection I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to hear it.  Otherwise unless you can prove the existence of an intelligent designer or prove that the universe could not have come into existence through chance acting upon natural processes you cannot claim that the idea of an intelligent deisgner is "more logical".

::@Scorpianman - If the universe being created by an explosion and natural selection over a few billion years is fairy tale, surely you don't want me to believe that some supernatural being, that can't be seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelled, or detected in any way, and was written about in a book by somebody a few thousand years ago which could have been complete fiction, which was then translated (however accurately or inaccurately), has not ever communicated to anyone, yet was bored one day and decided to make the universe and everything in it?  And then for some strange reason he needs everyone to pray all the time and give churches money and read stories or he'll put them in a fiery pit of doom called hell?  Which, cannot be proven or detected in any way either?  But if they do do that, he'll bring them to heaven?  Which, also cannot be proven or detected?  And he decided to place things on Earth in such a way that they disproved him creating the Earth completely?  What an odd, odd fellow.  Even if he did exist, which I don't think, and will never think he does, I'm not sure I'd want to follow blindly behind someone who has such strange requests. --[[User:ALFa|ALFa]] 16:48, 20 March 2007 (EDT)  

::@Scorpianman - If the universe being created by an explosion and natural selection over a few billion years is fairy tale, surely you don't want me to believe that some supernatural being, that can't be seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelled, or detected in any way, and was written about in a book by somebody a few thousand years ago which could have been complete fiction, which was then translated (however accurately or inaccurately), has not ever communicated to anyone, yet was bored one day and decided to make the universe and everything in it?  And then for some strange reason he needs everyone to pray all the time and give churches money and read stories or he'll put them in a fiery pit of doom called hell?  Which, cannot be proven or detected in any way either?  But if they do do that, he'll bring them to heaven?  Which, also cannot be proven or detected?  And he decided to place things on Earth in such a way that they disproved him creating the Earth completely?  What an odd, odd fellow.  Even if he did exist, which I don't think, and will never think he does, I'm not sure I'd want to follow blindly behind someone who has such strange requests. --[[User:ALFa|ALFa]] 16:48, 20 March 2007 (EDT)  

::Evolution science, which is only concerned with biological evolution, is a mathematically based science which makes the observation that the living things in this world exist within a nested heirarchy, and that nested heirarchies are created by branching.  This makes evolution a scientific theory mainly because it subjects evolution to falsifiability.  Afterall if it isn't falsifiable it isn't scientific.  All a creationist has to do is find a creature that doesn't fit into the nested heirarchy, like a dragonfly who produces chlorophyl or has a plant cell wall.  I think it highly significant that no one's been able to do this.

::Evolution science, which is only concerned with biological evolution, is a mathematically based science which makes the observation that the living things in this world exist within a nested heirarchy, and that nested heirarchies are created by branching.  This makes evolution a scientific theory mainly because it subjects evolution to falsifiability.  Afterall if it isn't falsifiable it isn't scientific.  All a creationist has to do is find a creature that doesn't fit into the nested heirarchy, like a dragonfly who produces chlorophyl or has a plant cell wall.  I think it highly significant that no one's been able to do this. {{unsigned|DeathMunky}}

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