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Is a citation ''from'' Fox News saying that Fox News is fair and balanced really a good idea?
I would think that it would be more appropriately said as "Fox News claims to be fair and balanced," or something along those lines.
Anyone disagree?
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 15:23, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*I disagree. One of the ways Fox News attempts to be fair and balanced is by inviting guests from both sides of the issue. Personally I would prefer to only hear from conservatives, but Fox News has both sides. Hannity and Colmes is a great example of a Fair and Balanced show - Sean is the Conservative and Alan is the liberal (and proud of it). [[User:Crocoite|Dean]] 17:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)
**What other programs do they air that feature both sides of the political spectrum?<br>Regardless, Colmes is quite overshadowed by the rapacious Hannity. -[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 14:41, 8 March 2007 (EST)
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I think this entire article could use an overhaul. Although I am a supporter of Fox News, the bias in this article in very apparent. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 15:25, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*I disagree. If there's any bias in this article, it's toward conservatism and the Truth, which was the whole purpose of Conservapedia in the first place! --[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 16:44, 7 March 2007 (EST)
:*Well it does have a very obvious bias. You are right in saying that Conservapedia has a point of view to impose. But the srticle goes beyond the point of view of Conservapedia.
:Take this example from the article: "Fox News is best because instead of just telling you what to think, they only report the news unbiased and then allow the viewer to decide."
:#Even though I may think it is a fact that Fox News is the best, it is merely my opinion.
:#This sentence and others are worded as if they were written by a 1st grader - read after comma to see what I mean.
:The point is the article must be written over again to present a factual, encyclopedia-worthy article. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 16:56, 7 March 2007 (EST)
**If one news source tells you what to think (as any of the leftist mainstream media stations do) and another just reports the facts in a fair and unbiased manner, then clearly the second news source is superior, by definition! --[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 17:00, 7 March 2007 (EST)
***Every source has a bias. Fox News is no exception.
True. Didn't even notice the "Sean Hannity is a great American" statement at first, which I think is safe to say is an opinion. Also, the reference points to an outdated car giveaway. Doesn't seem like it belongs.
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 15:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)
I think the link for the first reference needs to be changed. It is used as a citation for Fox News saying it is Fair and Balanced, but the link only goes to a page with employment opportunities.
== Fair and Balanced? ==
Let's look at the conservative personalities on Fox
-Bill Oreilly <br>
-Neil Cavuto<br>
-John Gibson<br>
-Sean Hannity<br>
-Brit Hume<br>
-Everyone on Fox & Friends
Liberal personalities <br><br>
-Allen Colmes (and he doesn't even get his own show)<br>
-Greta Van Susteren (her show is never deals with politics so it doesn't really matter)
*Greta's liberal? Hmmm. Never really watched that, anyways. -[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 14:34, 8 March 2007 (EST)
== Let's complain about the show "Red Eye" on Fox News ==
Let's complain about the show "Red Eye" on Fox News. I am a conservative and I would have to say that it is the stupidest show on Fox News. Fox News if you are listening pull the show off your network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:37, 7 March 2007 (EST)conservative
== Is this why Murdoch started Fox? ==
"Fox News was started in 1996 in response to the other cable news channels which all had obvious liberal biases. Because of this, Rupert Murdoch decided to start a news channel which would counteract them."
Has anyone got a source that says this ''is'' the reason he started Fox News? What does Murdoch himself say?
==Cable?==
Isn't Fox a broadcast channel? Doesn't it compete with the other broadcast networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) rather than with the cable news channels (e.g. CNN)? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 14:45, 8 March 2007 (EST)
: Fox News is the cable news channel. Fox is the broadcast channel, and it doesn't carry a news program of its own. So, Fox as a corporation competes in both areas. The only other network that splits itself like this is NBC (MSNBC, CNBC), although they have an integral news program on their broadcast channel.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 15:25, 8 March 2007 (EST)
== "The religion they represent" ==
That line is bat-**-crazy. You cannot say that suicide bombings need to be "put in the context of the religion they represent." It's flat-out racist. Further, it's an obvious bias, just like this entire page.
I have edited out the offensive line. I have also changed some of the wording to sound less biased.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 22:17, 9 March 2007 (EST)
: Good quick removal of my changes, which were awesome, Tim, since they put the article more in line with your *stated goal* of maintaining a non-biased site.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 22:20, 9 March 2007 (EST)
The fact is that few Christians or Buddhists are blowing themselves up, and Fox News isn't afraid to say that. I find that to be quite an appropriate statement. [[User:ATB|ATB]] 15:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
So, then it would be fine to say that Jim Jones represents Christianity?
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 19:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
== "Dominating the ratings" ==
So, uh, if they're dominating the ratings, PROVIDE A SOURCE. Either, you know, give us a source, or leave it out. Or has somebody not looked at the commandments? --[[User:Mattybee|Mattybee]] 14:44, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
I would think that it would be more appropriately said as "Fox News claims to be fair and balanced," or something along those lines.
Anyone disagree?
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 15:23, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*I disagree. One of the ways Fox News attempts to be fair and balanced is by inviting guests from both sides of the issue. Personally I would prefer to only hear from conservatives, but Fox News has both sides. Hannity and Colmes is a great example of a Fair and Balanced show - Sean is the Conservative and Alan is the liberal (and proud of it). [[User:Crocoite|Dean]] 17:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)
**What other programs do they air that feature both sides of the political spectrum?<br>Regardless, Colmes is quite overshadowed by the rapacious Hannity. -[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 14:41, 8 March 2007 (EST)
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I think this entire article could use an overhaul. Although I am a supporter of Fox News, the bias in this article in very apparent. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 15:25, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*I disagree. If there's any bias in this article, it's toward conservatism and the Truth, which was the whole purpose of Conservapedia in the first place! --[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 16:44, 7 March 2007 (EST)
:*Well it does have a very obvious bias. You are right in saying that Conservapedia has a point of view to impose. But the srticle goes beyond the point of view of Conservapedia.
:Take this example from the article: "Fox News is best because instead of just telling you what to think, they only report the news unbiased and then allow the viewer to decide."
:#Even though I may think it is a fact that Fox News is the best, it is merely my opinion.
:#This sentence and others are worded as if they were written by a 1st grader - read after comma to see what I mean.
:The point is the article must be written over again to present a factual, encyclopedia-worthy article. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 16:56, 7 March 2007 (EST)
**If one news source tells you what to think (as any of the leftist mainstream media stations do) and another just reports the facts in a fair and unbiased manner, then clearly the second news source is superior, by definition! --[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 17:00, 7 March 2007 (EST)
***Every source has a bias. Fox News is no exception.
True. Didn't even notice the "Sean Hannity is a great American" statement at first, which I think is safe to say is an opinion. Also, the reference points to an outdated car giveaway. Doesn't seem like it belongs.
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 15:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)
I think the link for the first reference needs to be changed. It is used as a citation for Fox News saying it is Fair and Balanced, but the link only goes to a page with employment opportunities.
== Fair and Balanced? ==
Let's look at the conservative personalities on Fox
-Bill Oreilly <br>
-Neil Cavuto<br>
-John Gibson<br>
-Sean Hannity<br>
-Brit Hume<br>
-Everyone on Fox & Friends
Liberal personalities <br><br>
-Allen Colmes (and he doesn't even get his own show)<br>
-Greta Van Susteren (her show is never deals with politics so it doesn't really matter)
*Greta's liberal? Hmmm. Never really watched that, anyways. -[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 14:34, 8 March 2007 (EST)
== Let's complain about the show "Red Eye" on Fox News ==
Let's complain about the show "Red Eye" on Fox News. I am a conservative and I would have to say that it is the stupidest show on Fox News. Fox News if you are listening pull the show off your network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:37, 7 March 2007 (EST)conservative
== Is this why Murdoch started Fox? ==
"Fox News was started in 1996 in response to the other cable news channels which all had obvious liberal biases. Because of this, Rupert Murdoch decided to start a news channel which would counteract them."
Has anyone got a source that says this ''is'' the reason he started Fox News? What does Murdoch himself say?
==Cable?==
Isn't Fox a broadcast channel? Doesn't it compete with the other broadcast networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) rather than with the cable news channels (e.g. CNN)? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 14:45, 8 March 2007 (EST)
: Fox News is the cable news channel. Fox is the broadcast channel, and it doesn't carry a news program of its own. So, Fox as a corporation competes in both areas. The only other network that splits itself like this is NBC (MSNBC, CNBC), although they have an integral news program on their broadcast channel.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 15:25, 8 March 2007 (EST)
== "The religion they represent" ==
That line is bat-**-crazy. You cannot say that suicide bombings need to be "put in the context of the religion they represent." It's flat-out racist. Further, it's an obvious bias, just like this entire page.
I have edited out the offensive line. I have also changed some of the wording to sound less biased.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 22:17, 9 March 2007 (EST)
: Good quick removal of my changes, which were awesome, Tim, since they put the article more in line with your *stated goal* of maintaining a non-biased site.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 22:20, 9 March 2007 (EST)
The fact is that few Christians or Buddhists are blowing themselves up, and Fox News isn't afraid to say that. I find that to be quite an appropriate statement. [[User:ATB|ATB]] 15:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
So, then it would be fine to say that Jim Jones represents Christianity?
--[[User:Commodore Guff|Commodore Guff]] 19:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
== "Dominating the ratings" ==
So, uh, if they're dominating the ratings, PROVIDE A SOURCE. Either, you know, give us a source, or leave it out. Or has somebody not looked at the commandments? --[[User:Mattybee|Mattybee]] 14:44, 11 March 2007 (EDT)