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Debate:Is "Coercive Interrogation" consistent with Christian Values? (view source)
Revision as of 01:04, October 10, 2007
, 01:04, October 10, 2007→Transference: if someone were to demand that you renounce your faith and blaspheme against the name of God, and threatened to kill your entire family if you refused to do so, what would you do?
:I do not see anyone arguing "Christian values support torture" or even "Christians torture".... seems to me that the question under discussion is "''ought'' Christians support torture" -- and the answer immediately presents itself, '''''Thou shalt not!!''''' for "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Matthew 25:40.... it is better that we should allow ourselves to be the recipients of torture than to inflict it upon another, better that we should allow ourselves to be murdered than murder another.... for the torture of another is a sin that will not be washed off our hands, and those that condone it, in their hearts, words, or acts, are as guilty and as condemned as those who beat, burn, and humiliate, no matter the "value" of the information sought!! [[User:Pandeism|Pandeism]] 12:06, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
:I do not see anyone arguing "Christian values support torture" or even "Christians torture".... seems to me that the question under discussion is "''ought'' Christians support torture" -- and the answer immediately presents itself, '''''Thou shalt not!!''''' for "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Matthew 25:40.... it is better that we should allow ourselves to be the recipients of torture than to inflict it upon another, better that we should allow ourselves to be murdered than murder another.... for the torture of another is a sin that will not be washed off our hands, and those that condone it, in their hearts, words, or acts, are as guilty and as condemned as those who beat, burn, and humiliate, no matter the "value" of the information sought!! [[User:Pandeism|Pandeism]] 12:06, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
::The debate question is whether coercive interrogation is consistent with a certain ideology. Meaning are the two compatible with each other? Nothing about torture is being mentioned here, by the way. Let's not misdirect on the topic of discussion. Also that Matthew 25:40 has nothing to do with the application of coercive interrogation techniques used to save lives during a time of war is only proving one of my points perfectly. Make sure that your not wanting to sin isn't an act of sedition that causes others to suffer for it. I hope you'll see the value of this information and to apply it accordingly.--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 19:41, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
::The debate question is whether coercive interrogation is consistent with a certain ideology. Meaning are the two compatible with each other? Nothing about torture is being mentioned here, by the way. Let's not misdirect on the topic of discussion. Also that Matthew 25:40 has nothing to do with the application of coercive interrogation techniques used to save lives during a time of war is only proving one of my points perfectly. Make sure that your not wanting to sin isn't an act of sedition that causes others to suffer for it. I hope you'll see the value of this information and to apply it accordingly.--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 19:41, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
:::What you call "coercive interrogation techniques used to save lives during a time of war" are nonetheless "coercive interrogation techniques" (and if we are not talking about torture, then what do we mean?).... if someone were to demand that you renounce your faith and blaspheme against the name of God, and threatened to kill your entire family if you refused to do so, what would you do? [[User:Pandeism|Pandeism]] 21:04, 9 October 2007 (EDT)