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:::P.S. The distinction between "real" communism and "communism-in-practice," for want of a better term, is straitforward.  "Real" communism refers to to communist ideology, or theory.  "Real" is perhaps an inapt term for something characterized by its existence only in some people's minds.  But why quibble?  "Communism-in-practice," on the other hand, is meant to refer to the systems that actually existed behind the Iron Curtain.  They differ from one another profoundly.  In "real" communism, there is no private property of any kind--it has been made obsolete, because, as a result of making the means of production publicly held, productivity has been increased to the point where the supply of everything exceeds the demand.  In a world where everything you might want is free (even in the strict economic sense), you don't need private property.  Obviously, no communist regime ever tried to completely abolish private property, though they took a variety of steps in that direction.  Even more obviously, no communist country ever managed to improve its productively beyond that of free market economies in which private property rights are respected.  The distinctions between "real" communism and communism-as-actually-practiced go on, but these are, in my opinion, the most crucial distinctions.  [[User:QBeam]]

:::P.S. The distinction between "real" communism and "communism-in-practice," for want of a better term, is straitforward.  "Real" communism refers to to communist ideology, or theory.  "Real" is perhaps an inapt term for something characterized by its existence only in some people's minds.  But why quibble?  "Communism-in-practice," on the other hand, is meant to refer to the systems that actually existed behind the Iron Curtain.  They differ from one another profoundly.  In "real" communism, there is no private property of any kind--it has been made obsolete, because, as a result of making the means of production publicly held, productivity has been increased to the point where the supply of everything exceeds the demand.  In a world where everything you might want is free (even in the strict economic sense), you don't need private property.  Obviously, no communist regime ever tried to completely abolish private property, though they took a variety of steps in that direction.  Even more obviously, no communist country ever managed to improve its productively beyond that of free market economies in which private property rights are respected.  The distinctions between "real" communism and communism-as-actually-practiced go on, but these are, in my opinion, the most crucial distinctions.  [[User:QBeam]]

::So we agree [[private property]] is a fundemental [[human rights|human right]].  This leaves aside the question that Communism, in good faith, ever sought to abolish this fundemental human right for some greater good.  It rather seems to be more of the spirutal wickedness in high places we wrestle against, i.e. the [[envy]] and [[hate]] that possessed Cain to [[murder]] his brother.  In the final analysis, the gospel of Communism did not then, nor does it now, nor many of its subsidiary offshoots and progeny, amount to anything more.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:07, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

::So we agree [[private property]] is a fundemental [[human rights|human right]].  This leaves aside the question that Communism, in good faith, ever sought to abolish this fundemental human right for some greater good.  It rather seems to be more of the spiritual wickedness in high places we wrestle against, i.e. the [[envy]] and [[hate]] that possessed Cain to [[murder]] his brother.  In the final analysis, the gospel of Communism did not then, nor does it now, nor many of its subsidiary offshoots and progeny, amount to anything more.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:07, 11 October 2007 (EDT)