Seconded. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 17:32, 12 November 2007 (EST)
Seconded. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 17:32, 12 November 2007 (EST)
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==Causation itself is unnecessary==
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Causation isn't even a part of modern physics. Physics, at least when it is being precise, speaks of the relations between physical objects, not of causes with effects. These attempts to prove the existence of God are ultimately just sophistry and they will convince no one. Read Matthew 13. --[[User:Andy|Andy]] 12:18, 17 November 2007 (EST)