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I nearly lost my faith as a teenager when confronted with undeniable proof of an old earth - every argument put forward by young earthers was clearly explained by others. I became ill and even thought about killing myself because I felt my faith was gone. I talked to a couple of Southern Baptist seminary students who helped me out. I managed to stay a Christian because I found arguments that an old earth was exegetically possible. I know others have lost their faith in this manner - scientist Greg Neyman has documented this trend. Both sides are guilty of this - old earthers try to destroy faith of the young earthers by proving the earth is old, and young earthers try to destroy the faith of old earthers by exegetically proving the Bible says the earth is young. All that matters for the plan of Salvation is set in place in the New Testament. I don't even mind the article putting forth every young earth article out there, but I would hope that the article would say "old earth view put forth by atheists and old Earth creationists." If I sat next to any young earth believer in a pew in Sunday morning, nothing would theologically differentiate us other than the insignificant issue of origins. The real problem is liberals who say that Jesus is not the only way to heaven and accept this. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:46, 23 November 2007 (EST)
 
I nearly lost my faith as a teenager when confronted with undeniable proof of an old earth - every argument put forward by young earthers was clearly explained by others. I became ill and even thought about killing myself because I felt my faith was gone. I talked to a couple of Southern Baptist seminary students who helped me out. I managed to stay a Christian because I found arguments that an old earth was exegetically possible. I know others have lost their faith in this manner - scientist Greg Neyman has documented this trend. Both sides are guilty of this - old earthers try to destroy faith of the young earthers by proving the earth is old, and young earthers try to destroy the faith of old earthers by exegetically proving the Bible says the earth is young. All that matters for the plan of Salvation is set in place in the New Testament. I don't even mind the article putting forth every young earth article out there, but I would hope that the article would say "old earth view put forth by atheists and old Earth creationists." If I sat next to any young earth believer in a pew in Sunday morning, nothing would theologically differentiate us other than the insignificant issue of origins. The real problem is liberals who say that Jesus is not the only way to heaven and accept this. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:46, 23 November 2007 (EST)
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: Dan, virtually no one's [[faith]] survives the [[atheistic]] promotion of an old earth.  Perhaps only 1 in 100 can, and not much more than that.  Even if your [[faith]] survives, you'll be causing others to lose their [[faith]] by espousing an old earth.  This is as factual as observing how alcoholics lose their health over time.
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: Personally, I didn't reject an old earth for reasons of [[faith]].  I completely accepted an old earth until I was about 40 years old.  I only rejected an old earth based a thorough open-minded application of logic and science that took several years.  Then, as an unexpected bonus, I found my [[faith]] greatly strengthened.  I had been taught all the lies about the Catholic Church embraced old earth (not true), about how science proves it (not true), about how everyone supposedly accepts it (not true), etc.
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: One thing I've noticed is how a believer in an old earth will shy away from debate of the issue when he senses his belief in an old earth might be shaken.  That's how darkness works: it abhors light.  Most of the believers in an old earth would change their mind as soon as they allow it to be open, and allow logic to shine in.  Try it, please.  Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:10, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    
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