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| | :: BrianCo, please don't take a challenge personally. It reminds me of when my son was first cited by the referee for committee "fouls" in basketball. It made my son very upset. But the "fouls" are part of the game of basketball, challenges and objections are part of the practice of law, and I think post-contest challenges enhance our contests. These challenges facilitate scrutiny of the rules and improves the spirit the game. In the first contest, the judges did disqualify some points and penalize one team. In the second contest, none of that post-contest analysis occurred and I think that was unfortunate. People will compete in these contests closer to their spirit in the future if there is a vigorous post-contest analysis. Challenges help promote that. Thanks and Godspeed, and please feel free to shine light on my team's work in kind.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:05, 24 November 2007 (EST) | | :: BrianCo, please don't take a challenge personally. It reminds me of when my son was first cited by the referee for committee "fouls" in basketball. It made my son very upset. But the "fouls" are part of the game of basketball, challenges and objections are part of the practice of law, and I think post-contest challenges enhance our contests. These challenges facilitate scrutiny of the rules and improves the spirit the game. In the first contest, the judges did disqualify some points and penalize one team. In the second contest, none of that post-contest analysis occurred and I think that was unfortunate. People will compete in these contests closer to their spirit in the future if there is a vigorous post-contest analysis. Challenges help promote that. Thanks and Godspeed, and please feel free to shine light on my team's work in kind.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:05, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | + | :::Except that in basketball the opposing coach doesn't get to campaign to get the other team's players charged with fouls. That decision is made by an independent referee in real time. There were no independent referees during the contest, and it will be quite difficult for them to judge now after the fact since some contributors did not mark there contributions individually, such as [[User:BethanyS/Contest|Bethany]] who's edit summary for Day 1 is simply "Links to Lectures:324 pt." Additionally, let's say I was playing basketball with you and I traveled, it doesn't mean that you get to penalize me for every point I scored in the game that far. There is no game in the world where the outcome is changed weeks after the contest is concluded based on complaints by the participants. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 23:48, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | * With reluctance, I feel compelled to challenge TK's 280 points which are apparently based on assigning (or merely changing?) one obscure category in a hundred or so entries. I may be mistaken but don't immediately see the value in that re-categorization, even though under a hyper-literal reading of the rules it may be entitled to points. In the quality spirit of the contest, I think these points require a challenge. | | * With reluctance, I feel compelled to challenge TK's 280 points which are apparently based on assigning (or merely changing?) one obscure category in a hundred or so entries. I may be mistaken but don't immediately see the value in that re-categorization, even though under a hyper-literal reading of the rules it may be entitled to points. In the quality spirit of the contest, I think these points require a challenge. |
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| | * Also, while TK obviously did a splendid job picking his team, I wonder if there should be additional scrutiny and possibly a penalty for how a captain manages his players during a contest. I ended up having to divert precious time and effort from my team towards policing a player on TK's team, and while I'm not seeking points for that effort, I do think judges should consider assessing captains based on unsportsmanlike conduct by their players. I think the analogy in basketball may be the "technical foul" award against a captain or entire team. As I said in my comments to BrianCo above, I hope there is good sportsmanship in reaction to these challenges and that nothing here is taken personally. I do think that challenges and some accountability enhances the contests and will lead to even greater achievements next time!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:43, 24 November 2007 (EST) | | * Also, while TK obviously did a splendid job picking his team, I wonder if there should be additional scrutiny and possibly a penalty for how a captain manages his players during a contest. I ended up having to divert precious time and effort from my team towards policing a player on TK's team, and while I'm not seeking points for that effort, I do think judges should consider assessing captains based on unsportsmanlike conduct by their players. I think the analogy in basketball may be the "technical foul" award against a captain or entire team. As I said in my comments to BrianCo above, I hope there is good sportsmanship in reaction to these challenges and that nothing here is taken personally. I do think that challenges and some accountability enhances the contests and will lead to even greater achievements next time!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:43, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | + | :::Except that in basketball the opposing coach doesn't get to campaign to get the other team's players charged with fouls. That decision is made by an independent referee in real time. There were no independent referees during the contest, and it will be quite difficult for them to judge now after the fact since some contributors did not mark there contributions individually, such as [[User:BethanyS/Contest|Bethany]] who's edit summary for Day 1 is simply "Links to Lectures:324 pt." Additionally, let's say I was playing basketball with you and I traveled, it doesn't mean that you get to penalize me for every point I scored in the game that far. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 23:48, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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