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:Long ages are not necessarily atheistic, there are non-Christian cosmologies, like Hinduism that have no problem with long ages, and of course many Christians that have no problem with them either. Long ages by itself aren't atheistic. You might argue that they are in error, that the Church gave up it young earth for political gains, but criticism of the old world view and criticism of the Church for adopting it is just a tangent. The subject was the strong correlation between atheism and old earth belief - Andy said repeatedly that less of 1 in 100 believers also believes also in an old earth - and fact remains that a clear majority of Americans do combine a belief in God with a belief in long ages. They might be in error, but that doesn't change the fact that they do believe it, which implies that the correlation is by no means as strong as Andy suggests, nor that it is inevitable.[[User:Order|Order]] 21:47, 26 November 2007 (EST)

:Long ages are not necessarily atheistic, there are non-Christian cosmologies, like Hinduism that have no problem with long ages, and of course many Christians that have no problem with them either. Long ages by itself aren't atheistic. You might argue that they are in error, that the Church gave up it young earth for political gains, but criticism of the old world view and criticism of the Church for adopting it is just a tangent. The subject was the strong correlation between atheism and old earth belief - Andy said repeatedly that less of 1 in 100 believers also believes also in an old earth - and fact remains that a clear majority of Americans do combine a belief in God with a belief in long ages. They might be in error, but that doesn't change the fact that they do believe it, which implies that the correlation is by no means as strong as Andy suggests, nor that it is inevitable.[[User:Order|Order]] 21:47, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::Hinduism is arguably an atheistic religion.  If, as I understand it believes, all is God, then the universe must have created itself, which is essentially the atheistic view.  It certainly doesn't propose a personal creator God.  But that argument is not my main response.

::Hinduism is arguably an atheistic religion.  If, as I understand it believes, all is God, then the universe must have created itself, which is essentially the atheistic view.  It certainly doesn't propose a personal creator God.  But I might be stretching things a tad there, and that argument is not my main response.

::The reason that I called long ages atheistic is because long ages were the result of an attempt to explain the universe without God.  And explaining the universe without God is still the only justification for long ages; you certainly don't need long ages if you have God, and the ''evidence'' for long ages is ambiguous at best.

::The reason that I called long ages atheistic is because long ages were the result of an attempt to explain the universe without God.  And explaining the universe without God is still the only justification for long ages; you certainly don't need long ages if you have God, and the ''evidence'' for long ages is ambiguous at best.

:: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)

:: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)