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So there are naturalistic explanations for natural disasters so to show that a natural disaster is an act of god I guess the burden of proof would fall on those believing it was god that influenced the event.  My challenge is how do you prove that the disaster was caused by god and not by a naturalistic means?  Are lightning strikes caused by god?  If so then why waste energy to cast the bolts randomly across the earth and in between the clouds?  Does god only take the reigns of a natural disaster when humans are involved?  If this is the case then how do you prove this?--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 15:42, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
 
So there are naturalistic explanations for natural disasters so to show that a natural disaster is an act of god I guess the burden of proof would fall on those believing it was god that influenced the event.  My challenge is how do you prove that the disaster was caused by god and not by a naturalistic means?  Are lightning strikes caused by god?  If so then why waste energy to cast the bolts randomly across the earth and in between the clouds?  Does god only take the reigns of a natural disaster when humans are involved?  If this is the case then how do you prove this?--[[User:Tims|TimS]] 15:42, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
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==Creation vs. Creator==
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Evidence and facts are experianced by created things, a.k.a. the natural world. I can see the disconnect many are having between the Creator and His creation. Jesus is telling them because of mankinds' sin nature, death is unavoidable. The creation is cursed and violently is reacting to sin. Everyone will die a physical death but Jesus answer was to 'repent' to avoid the second more critical death which is the spiritual death. Sin is merely the rejection of the Creators will for mankind and results in physical and then spiritual death. Repentence is merely returning to the Creators will for you to live. The bible, the Word of God outlines all of this, except when you take singular verses out of context. If you don't believe you have a spirit with your natural body then it shows how much you relish in this delusion of the creature versus its Creator. In the end then who do you think will prevail?--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 11:27, 2 December 2007 (EST)
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