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Philip (and Order), while not directly relating to this subject, I see that you are interested in the Bible and in knowing what other people think. I suggest you go to www.vatican.va : it is a wealth of information. While I understand people may not like Catholicism or the Pope, Catholic Church is not only about the Pope. Centuries of theologians and christian scientists (just consider the Pontifical Academy of Sciences) have studied both the Bible and the World around us, and they have accumulated an incredible wealth of knowledge, even if both non Catholic Christians and Atheists obviously disagree with some of their conclusions. It is really worth, for everybody. I don't dispute that some Christians prefer to read the Bible by themselves, but reading what others have done with passion for years can't be bad, can it? And no, I am not taking a stance in this diatribe between you and [[User:Order|Order]].[[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 08:58, 4 December 2007 (EST)
Philip (and Order), while not directly relating to this subject, I see that you are interested in the Bible and in knowing what other people think. I suggest you go to www.vatican.va : it is a wealth of information. While I understand people may not like Catholicism or the Pope, Catholic Church is not only about the Pope. Centuries of theologians and christian scientists (just consider the Pontifical Academy of Sciences) have studied both the Bible and the World around us, and they have accumulated an incredible wealth of knowledge, even if both non Catholic Christians and Atheists obviously disagree with some of their conclusions. It is really worth, for everybody. I don't dispute that some Christians prefer to read the Bible by themselves, but reading what others have done with passion for years can't be bad, can it? And no, I am not taking a stance in this diatribe between you and [[User:Order|Order]].[[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 08:58, 4 December 2007 (EST)
: Whilst I appreciate your intentions and tone, what you've done is known as "elephant hurling", in referring to an entire website to make a point. If you want to link to a specific article on that site, I'll have a look at it, but otherwise I'm not going to bother. And for the record, I'm basing what I'm saying not just on my own reading of the Bible, but on that of many others who have studied this issue in great detail. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:53, 5 December 2007 (EST)
: Whilst I appreciate your intentions and tone, what you've done is known as "elephant hurling", in referring to an entire website to make a point. If you want to link to a specific article on that site, I'll have a look at it, but otherwise I'm not going to bother. And for the record, I'm basing what I'm saying not just on my own reading of the Bible, but on that of many others who have studied this issue in great detail. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:53, 5 December 2007 (EST)
:: Oh Philip, you completely misunderstood my post (my fault, no doubt). I was NOT making a point and I WON'T touch this dispute between you and Order with a pole. I am not talking about the [[Pope]]'s views on [[Evolution]]. Besides, many of those who argue for evolution cite Catholic writings wrongly. Their position is not of blind acceptance of evolution, as Mr. Schlafly pointed out well a couple of days ago in his Talk Page. BUT this was NOT my point. Let me try to be more clear this time: Philip, from what I read here, you come across as someone who is open minded and willing to learn, and thus I give you a FRIENDLY suggestion, to help you fight against atheists, if you prefer. While you are not Catholic and disagree with much of what they preach, they have also studied the Bible and Sciences to an INCREDIBLE detail, starting from the first Pope, [[Saint Peter]], up to today, with hundreds of theologic universities and some very highly regarded institutions, such as the "Pontifical Academy of Sciences" I mentioned. Highly regarded by Catholics, Protestants, Fundamentalists and Atheists as well. I am pretty confident that you will find much material to be of great use for you. Probably you will agree with 99 % of that material and certainly, as learned as you may be, you will learn many valuable facts. I mean, why go the same route, if you can just read what others have concluded and reached, and then disagree or go forward yourself? Finally, while I am guilty of giving a generic home page, www.vatican.va is very well structured and quite easy to navigate. I didn't give a direct link to their evolution pages, because I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT EVOLUTION OR THE MOON. Maybe I should have posted these suggestions to your talk page instead of here. I posted here only because either you or Order mentioned the Vatican here, and it came to my mind that I could be helpful. Sorry for using CAPITALS, I am not shouting :-) P.S. If you have specific points about the Catholic Church you want to discuss, I am not the right person, but our Joaquin Martinez seems to be very instructed in the matter. [[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 07:14, 6 December 2007 (EST)
==Tides and the earth-moon distance==
==Tides and the earth-moon distance==