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→Is conservapedia advocating suicide?: adverbs end in "-ly" -- but I'm a little slow
::Suicide is only bad when killing yourself for selfish reasons? Seriously? Where do you get this stuff?
::Suicide is only bad when killing yourself for selfish reasons? Seriously? Where do you get this stuff?
::Additionally, Jesus didn't kill himself, the Jews did it. He did't put a spear through his own side. However, Schlafly wants us to sit around until an adequate number of people throw themselves into the ocean. Can you see the difference between the two examples,<s> or do you need me to type it real slow for you</s>? [[User:SacchoPavta|SacchoPavta]] 15:34, 9 December 2007 (EST)
::Additionally, Jesus didn't kill himself, the Jews did it. He did't put a spear through his own side. However, Schlafly wants us to sit around until an adequate number of people throw themselves into the ocean. Can you see the difference between the two examples,<s> or do you need me to type it really slowly for you</s>? [[User:SacchoPavta|SacchoPavta]] 15:34, 9 December 2007 (EST)
:::You say "Jesus didn't kill himself, the Jews did it." Might I also say "those people on the Titanic didn't kill themselves, the water did it"? Both situations are one in which the sacrificer can make a decision which saves the lives of others, but which has a high certainty of their own death. It doesn't matter that a man-made object killed one and a force of nature killed the other.
:::Are you trying to argue that someone who saves others by throwing himself on a grenade (to use Ed's example) is the same as someone who kills himself just because? That a police officer dying in the line of duty is morally no different than a bank robber dying during a heist? If you truly believe this then I think we just have to agree to disagree. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:02, 9 December 2007 (EST)
The legal '''and''' moral definition of suicide goes beyond "deliberately causing one's own death". If I throw myself on a live grenade, to save another person's life, I do not expect to wake up in hell a few days later for this. Rather, "Greater love hath no man ...". Likewise, [[Socrates]] drank hemlock but this is not considered suicide even though he could have resisted this "form of execution". The Japanese [[kamikaze]] I'm not sure about, but no one doubts their self-sacrificial motives. Now, the anti-Israeli and anti-American [[suicide bomber]]s of recent years is yet another thing.
The legal '''and''' moral definition of suicide goes beyond "deliberately causing one's own death". If I throw myself on a live grenade, to save another person's life, I do not expect to wake up in hell a few days later for this. Rather, "Greater love hath no man ...". Likewise, [[Socrates]] drank hemlock but this is not considered suicide even though he could have resisted this "form of execution". The Japanese [[kamikaze]] I'm not sure about, but no one doubts their self-sacrificial motives. Now, the anti-Israeli and anti-American [[suicide bomber]]s of recent years is yet another thing.