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Talk:Lifeboat ethics (view source)
Revision as of 03:43, December 10, 2007
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::::::::: The ''stated'' lifeboat capacity was 1200. Everything was top quality on the [[Titanic]], and it's plausible that 1500-1800 could have been squeezed on those lifeboats without causing them to sink. Yes, there were 500 who voluntarily gave up their lives. There may have been 1000 who did so. Welcome to [[Christianity]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:26, 9 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::: The ''stated'' lifeboat capacity was 1200. Everything was top quality on the [[Titanic]], and it's plausible that 1500-1800 could have been squeezed on those lifeboats without causing them to sink. Yes, there were 500 who voluntarily gave up their lives. There may have been 1000 who did so. Welcome to [[Christianity]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:26, 9 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::::I'm sorry, there's a difference between voluntarily giving up your seat and not taking a seat because you've been told by the crew that there are no seats available because you're male, for example. The truth is that the Titanic situation was actually an example of lifeboat ethics in action: People weren't saved randomly or based on order of arrival, they were saved by class. The life of a 1st class passenger was more important than a third class passenger. And the "women and children first" claim doesn't necessarily fly either. More 1st class men were saved that 3rd class children, for example, and more crew were saved than second or third class passengers (separately, not combined). On Titanic, your status bought your life. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 22:43, 9 December 2007 (EST)
The strongest argument here is still that the lifeboat problem is based on lack of faith - when you let someone die to let someone else survive, rather than believing that God will either save you all. I believe that in such a situation, God is the one who should decide who lives and dies. The whole argument is based on lack of faith and even though it opens up some very interesting discussions, it's a horrible way to learn "morals" to children in public schools. [[User:Hammet|Hammet]] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (EST)
The strongest argument here is still that the lifeboat problem is based on lack of faith - when you let someone die to let someone else survive, rather than believing that God will either save you all. I believe that in such a situation, God is the one who should decide who lives and dies. The whole argument is based on lack of faith and even though it opens up some very interesting discussions, it's a horrible way to learn "morals" to children in public schools. [[User:Hammet|Hammet]] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (EST)