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::::::::::: "''unless you have evidence that these sources existed, is is just an unsupported assumption''":  The evidence is in the literary use of "colophons", such as the "signature of Adam" that I referred to.  This was the style of ancient documents, and this style is recognisable in the various sections of Genesis.  So it is not an "unsupported assumption".  Either way, whether God told just Adam or God told a lot more to Moses, it is still an eyewitness account, and by the infallible God Who cannot lie.

::::::::::: "''unless you have evidence that these sources existed, is is just an unsupported assumption''":  The evidence is in the literary use of "colophons", such as the "signature of Adam" that I referred to.  This was the style of ancient documents, and this style is recognisable in the various sections of Genesis.  So it is not an "unsupported assumption".  Either way, whether God told just Adam or God told a lot more to Moses, it is still an eyewitness account, and by the infallible God Who cannot lie.

::::::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)

::::::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)

To assume that the the literal meaning is defined as how people at the time did understand it is a useful assumption. And I didn't claim that Moses wrote the the Pentateuch, I said that this the traditional view. Modern scholars are  looking at style, word choice, and historic context, and came to the conclusion that the Pentateuch was compiled from a few earlier sources quite some time after Moses died. So, neither Adam nor Moses would be the author, it would have been from a collection of sources, and Moses might or might not have been one of them. But if we look at the bible as contemporaries understood it, they did believe that the books were written by Moses. And both you and the modern scholars disagree with this traditional view.

Defining "literal meaning"  as how people understood it at the time when it was written, is useful, so lets stick with it. However, I didn't claim that Moses wrote the the Pentateuch, I said that this is the traditional view. Modern scholars are  looking at style, word choice, and historic context, and came to the conclusion that the Pentateuch was compiled from a few earlier sources quite some time after Moses died. So, neither Adam nor Moses would be the main author, it would have been from a collection of sources, and Moses might or might not have been one of them. But if we look at the bible as contemporaries understood it, they did believe that the books were written by Moses. And both you and the modern scholars disagree with this traditional view.

Call the creation account autobiography if you like that better. However there is no account how the auto-biography was transferred into written from, it might be Adam, it might be Moses, it might be someone else, and we do not only know who it was, we don't even know if they were reliable. It was been said that moses wrote down the laws, but for the rest on the Pentateuch it is mostly unclear who wrote it. When police makes a record of an eyewitness account, they make sure that they got a signature of witness and interrogator. A report of a person claiming to have heard an eyewitness account isn't an eyewitness account anymore.  

Call the creation account auto-biography if you like that better. However there is no account how the auto-biography was transferred into written from, it might be Adam, it might be Moses, it might be someone else, and we do not only not know who it was, we don't even know if he is reliable. It was been said that Moses wrote down the laws, but for the rest on the Pentateuch it is mostly unclear who wrote it. When police makes a record of an eyewitness account, they make sure that they got a signature of witness and interrogator. A report of a person claiming to have heard an eyewitness account isn't an eyewitness account anymore.  

And the colophon that you mentioned doesn't say that it was written by Adam, it simply says that it was about Adam and his line. [[User:Order|Order]] 07:35, 9 December 2007 (EST)  

And the colophon that you mentioned doesn't say that it was written by Adam, it simply says that it was about Adam and his line. [[User:Order|Order]] 07:35, 9 December 2007 (EST)