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::::: Philip, I appreciate you're willing to hear out my side of the argument, but I stand by labelling Andy as a genocide denier.  For example, there are individuals who admit that the Holocaust did happen, but claim that it was nowhere near 6 million Jews killed, and these individuals are referred to as Holocaust deniers.  Likewise, Andy admits that 8000 men and boys were murdered in Srebrenica, but refuses to call it genocide based on various illogical technicalities.  This makes him a genocide denier.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 20:33, 14 December 2007 (EST)
 
::::: Philip, I appreciate you're willing to hear out my side of the argument, but I stand by labelling Andy as a genocide denier.  For example, there are individuals who admit that the Holocaust did happen, but claim that it was nowhere near 6 million Jews killed, and these individuals are referred to as Holocaust deniers.  Likewise, Andy admits that 8000 men and boys were murdered in Srebrenica, but refuses to call it genocide based on various illogical technicalities.  This makes him a genocide denier.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 20:33, 14 December 2007 (EST)
 
:::::: I'm not convinced that the holocaust denier situation is a valid analogy, because denying that the numbers were near six million is denying that much of it actually happened, not merely whether or not the word "holocaust" applies.  Secondly, the issue as much as anything is why you called him that.  Was it just a technical description of his views or an attempt to denigrate him?  His views had already been spelt out, so putting a label to them, even if accurate, does not add anything.  That and the apparent tone of your comment including your comment about being unwilling to discuss it further with him because of that indicates to me that it was an attempt to denigrate him.  So I stand by my comment that it was out of line, and am taking appropriate action.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:16, 14 December 2007 (EST)
 
:::::: I'm not convinced that the holocaust denier situation is a valid analogy, because denying that the numbers were near six million is denying that much of it actually happened, not merely whether or not the word "holocaust" applies.  Secondly, the issue as much as anything is why you called him that.  Was it just a technical description of his views or an attempt to denigrate him?  His views had already been spelt out, so putting a label to them, even if accurate, does not add anything.  That and the apparent tone of your comment including your comment about being unwilling to discuss it further with him because of that indicates to me that it was an attempt to denigrate him.  So I stand by my comment that it was out of line, and am taking appropriate action.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:16, 14 December 2007 (EST)
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I 'd like to bring up Rwanda again - as it easily fits the genocide standard: Hutus attempted to annihilate an entire race (Tutsi).--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 23:46, 14 December 2007 (EST)
    
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