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: My "faith-based account" is the account of the omniscient God, so I will expect true science to confirm it (where it is able to speak to it at all). I have no fear of science, only of the anti-science musings of atheists who claims their ideology-based ideas are objective science. If Augustine really did "warn" against "[demolishing] arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God" {{bible ref|2_Corinthians|10|4–5}}, then he was going against the Bible. But perhaps you have misrepresented him.
: My "faith-based account" is the account of the omniscient God, so I will expect true science to confirm it (where it is able to speak to it at all). I have no fear of science, only of the anti-science musings of atheists who claims their ideology-based ideas are objective science. If Augustine really did "warn" against "[demolishing] arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God" {{bible ref|2_Corinthians|10|4–5}}, then he was going against the Bible. But perhaps you have misrepresented him.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)
You don't have any eyewitness accounts of the overseeing. If you watch the writers of the gospels, and the writers of the non-canonical gospels, how could your eyewitness tell the difference?
The paper on Occams razor mentions halfway that evolution is random. Its not.
Scientists do drop assumptions. Take as example euclidean geometry. This century, scientist wondered what would happen if you drop some of Euclid assumptions, and they found non-euclidean geometries that work as well, and even describe this universe better.
I am not exactly sure if Augustine was arguing against {{bible ref|2_Corinthians|10|4–5}}, I suspect that he was more arguing along the line of what is still known in the catholic church as "truth cannot contradict truth", which means that it is not the bible that is wrong, nor scientific fact that are wrong, but our understanding of either science or bible. What Augustine said on the subject was the following:
<blockquote>Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.... Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by these who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. (See [[St._Augustine| here]])
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