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: Okay, so Augustine wasn't going against 2 Corinthians 10:4-5. It was the other possibility that I suggested: that you misrepresented him. In the passage you quoted, he is arguing against Christians trying to defend ''incorrect'' views by quoting the Bible. He specifically calls these people "reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture" and says that they are "talking nonsense". There's nothing there about "more than one legitimate view" and nothing against trying to disprove anti-biblical accounts.
: Okay, so Augustine wasn't going against 2 Corinthians 10:4-5. It was the other possibility that I suggested: that you misrepresented him. In the passage you quoted, he is arguing against Christians trying to defend ''incorrect'' views by quoting the Bible. He specifically calls these people "reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture" and says that they are "talking nonsense". There's nothing there about "more than one legitimate view" and nothing against trying to disprove anti-biblical accounts.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:11, 16 December 2007 (EST)
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 03:11, 16 December 2007 (EST)
Before you claimed that inconsistencies were to a change in style by a single author? And now you claim that everything is consistent. Can you make up your mind with respect to alleged inconsistencies? Furthermore, a study of inconsistencies is by definition no eyewitness account, but secondary, circumstantial evidence. Given that you resort to secondary evidence, I assume that you do not have eyewitness accounts of the writers writing?
You didn't dealt with the fact that evolution is random. You confused the different meanings of the word random. And the random that allow for probabilities to be computed, is not the opposite of design. On one hand side randomness can be a design choice, see you wifi adapter, and selection is not random at all, kind of by definition.
No the new non-euclidean geometries do not have new assumptions.
Augustine very accurately describes the situation we are in, there is no misrepresentation. Of course you claim to be one of the "wiser brethren", but Augustine fairly clearly defined what he means by ''incorrect'' biblical views; he defines them with respect to what even "non-Christians" know about the universe, and not with respect to biblical scholarship. The individuals that Augustine criticizes are very clearly also convinced that they are right for the right reasons, just like you, but Augustine doesn't talk about that, but about the impression that this behavior makes on the non-believers, especially if it might appear as if they do not understand "the things about which they make assertion." While you can tell us that it perfectly reasonable to you, you are not in a situation to determine what non-believers think about your argument, and what impression they get from you argument. Augustine very clearly stated that when it comes to science they should make a considerate argument, but he uses much more forceful language than we are use to. [[User:Order|Order]] 08:55, 16 December 2007 (EST)
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