nsTeam2RO, nsTeam2RW, nsTeam2_talkRO, nsTeam2_talkRW
13,254
edits
Changes
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
Line 624:
Line 624: + + + + +
→Scientific Claims: I've already answered. Here's a couple of questions for you.
So the challenge remains to give me one single example of something without purpose, and how that lack of purpose implies randomness. An example of something without purpose, would for example be a stone rolling down a hill, set in motion by say rainfall. If you tell me why that is random in the sense that it produces a uniform distribution over a sample space, and that the lack of intent was instrumental to produce the uniform distribution, it would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Order|Order]] 20:34, 18 December 2007 (EST)
So the challenge remains to give me one single example of something without purpose, and how that lack of purpose implies randomness. An example of something without purpose, would for example be a stone rolling down a hill, set in motion by say rainfall. If you tell me why that is random in the sense that it produces a uniform distribution over a sample space, and that the lack of intent was instrumental to produce the uniform distribution, it would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Order|Order]] 20:34, 18 December 2007 (EST)
: "''Nobody argues with the fact that life exhibits structure. Under that definition life exhibits design.''": You've no doubt heard the expression that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck! You have to explain how something that exhibits all the hallmarks of design is not designed.
: If mutations are random, not occurring by design, and natural selection was brought about by random processes, not design, then where does design come into it? Yes, natural selection is ''not'' random, but surely that speaks of ''design''. Otherwise, if mutations are random and natural selection is the product of randomness, where does non-randomness (design) enter the picture?
: I have already given you an example of randomness (a mutation). I have already answered the rest of your question when I gave you the example of the letters making up the sentence. How about you work with that and point out the flaws in that example, instead of asking for another?
: Also, perhaps you could give me an example of something that exhibits evidence of design (i.e. structure and complexity) but which we know from observation of it occurring was not designed by an intelligent being. Exclude life itself (because that's what we are discussing and we didn't see the origins of life), exclude individual living things because we know that they come about from other living things, and tracing it back gets back to the origin of life, already excluded), and exclude crystals, because they are not complex and derive any apparent design they have from their chemical properties (unlike complex things). Can you provide any examples?
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:22, 20 December 2007 (EST)
===Interpretations===
===Interpretations===