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Talk:Evangelical atheist (view source)
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, 17:45, January 1, 2008→Where is the reference?: Very poor way of defending my faith
you have claimed that the sex abuse in public school is worse than in religious institutions. According to the group "Bishop Accountability," approx. 3000 priests out of the 42,000 across the country have since been denounced after abusing children, some of whom have been investigated and convicted. That is 7%, much higher than any other professions, it seems. How does that compare with public schools? --[[User:JBuscombe|JBuscombe]] 12:18, 1 January 2008 (EST)
you have claimed that the sex abuse in public school is worse than in religious institutions. According to the group "Bishop Accountability," approx. 3000 priests out of the 42,000 across the country have since been denounced after abusing children, some of whom have been investigated and convicted. That is 7%, much higher than any other professions, it seems. How does that compare with public schools? --[[User:JBuscombe|JBuscombe]] 12:18, 1 January 2008 (EST)
:I don't even understand the point of this argument. Are all cases of sexual abuse at public schools committed by atheists? I think the point evangelical atheists make is that religious belief doesn't make you a saint - Christians do bad stuff, ''even in religious institutions''. As such they got a point in saying that religious institutions aren't automatically free of bad influences (even though I also don't see how that should magically turn me into an atheist).
:Saying "Oh, but you guys suck even more than we guys do!" (even ignoring my own objection above) strikes me as a poor way of defending my faith. Fact is that there are Christians who kill, rape, abuse, and deceive. I as a Christian am strong enough to admit that there are black sheep. I don't need to make myself feel better by trying to find non-Christians who do ''more'' and ''worse'' bad things.
:If an evangelical atheist told me that religious institutions are not free of people who commit abuse, I would look him in the eye and say "Yes, that is true. But what's your point? How would it help the victims of these people if I stopped going there?"
:I'm for the removal of the "even though secular institutions are worse" part. It makes it look like we're shifting blame, it's hard to prove in a way that makes a good point (Christians comitting sexual abuse in a church aren't better than Christians committing sexual abuse at school), and it's out of place in a list about techniques used by evangelical atheists. --[[User:JakeC|JakeC]] 12:45, 1 January 2008 (EST)
== Why the revert without any reason? ==
== Why the revert without any reason? ==