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→When even Creationist sites disagree...: No, Hoyle was not lying. But that doesn't mean that he was correct.
::RE: Sorry! You asked for "flaws" specifically, I just gave general reasons why Archeopteryx is not a hoax. I will keep looking! In the meantime, please consider the evidence and arguments I've presented so far - after all, they are probably not tainted by [[evolutionist]] [[bias]]. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 22:29, 2 January 2008 (EST)
::RE: Sorry! You asked for "flaws" specifically, I just gave general reasons why Archeopteryx is not a hoax. I will keep looking! In the meantime, please consider the evidence and arguments I've presented so far - after all, they are probably not tainted by [[evolutionist]] [[bias]]. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 22:29, 2 January 2008 (EST)
"''Is someone saying Hoyle lied or made scientific mistakes that affect his conclusion?''": You've listed two possibilities there. There's actually (at least) four possibilities:
# Hoyle lied
# Hoyle was incompetent (in the layman's sense of that word)
# Hoyle made scientific mistakes, despite his best efforts
# Further evidence that wasn't available to Hoyle now shows him to be incorrect.
To address each of those in turn:
# I don't think anybody is saying that Hoyle lied.
# One or two above do seem to suggest that Hoyle was incompetent. I for one don't agree with this.
# Perhaps Hoyle did make some mistakes, despite his best efforts. Whether or not he was "preeminent", I agree that Hoyle was a respected scientist and not one to be lightly dismissed. But nobody's perfect, so there's no shame if he inadvertently made mistakes. Everyone does. And his mistake may have been nothing more than overlooking some evidence that contradicted his views.
# Further evidence that Hoyle didn't have available is at least a big part of the answer, if not the whole answer. Even if he made no mistakes, this further evidence shows that Hoyle's conclusion was incorrect.
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:05, 3 January 2008 (EST)