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→Social effects of Creationist ideas: The Christian basis of science
::::::::I still don't see that I had any of their philosophies wrong. Their were naturalists, and not literalists. If you however agree with the sentiment that "There is no reason to take recourse to the heavens" in science, then we got to an agreement.
::::::::I still don't see that I had any of their philosophies wrong. Their were naturalists, and not literalists. If you however agree with the sentiment that "There is no reason to take recourse to the heavens" in science, then we got to an agreement.
::::::::The US has indeed quite some impressive European heritage. [[User:Order|Order]] 09:04, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::The US has indeed quite some impressive European heritage. [[User:Order|Order]] 09:04, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::: Aristotle's supporters may have used the Bible to justify their views, but their views didn't come from the Bible, and people like Copernicus and Galileo were not rejecting what the Bible says in proposing their alternative views: they were Bible-believing creationists. I'm not sure exactly what "There is no reason to take recourse to the heavens" is supposed to mean, but as far as ''observations'' go, I would agree that there is no need to go to Scripture to see what is. However, as far as ''history'' goes (goo-to-you evolution, for example), that's a different matter. But this is all getting off the point, which is that science arose ''because of'' a Christian worldview, and nothing you've said disproves that. You were trying to refute that point of view by arguing that even though they were Christians, they were acting ''as empiricists'', not as ''Christians''. That's a false distinction, because it was their ''Christianity'' that gave them cause and justification to act as ''empiricists'' in studying God's creation. A Hindu, for example, would never dissect a cow to see how it works inside, nor any other creature for that matter, as it might be an ancestor reincarnated. An animist would be afraid of disrespecting if not actually harming the spirits living in nature if they investigated nature. And so on. It was Christianity that saw that creation was not itself divine, but under man's dominion, and that creation, being the product of a consistent God, was itself consistent and therefore the laws of nature, for example, would not change. It's this ''principle'' that still guides science, so that when we conclude that water boils at 100 degrees Celsius at sea level, it will do so ''everywhere in the universe'', because the whole universe is the product of the one consistent God. Atheists reject the basis for this principle, but still accept the principle (now without basis!), but the principle has its basis in Christian thinking. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 16:45, 3 February 2008 (EST)