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→Query: The inconsistency more than the teaching.
::::::::Philip, if you're truly so open-minded, I salute you. But, I expect that you would be the exception rather than the rule. There was a case where a few years ago a teacher in California was teaching a history class and spent a 1 week module studying Islam and its impact on world history. There was such a backlash from local parents that the course had to be cancelled. This wasn't a case of prayer, merely study, and she was hung out to dry. As a more personal example, here in the Phoenix area we have a large Evangelical population and a large Mormon population. We've seen even here on CP that many argue that Mormonism isn't a form of Christianity, but a cult. It's not difficult to imagine a group of evangelical parents being upset if their children have to sit through Mormon prayers that they view as unChristian. It's not such a stretch to see them suing the school district claiming that the district is intervening in their ability to raise their children in the religious manner they see fit. This is the reason that organized classroom prayer is disallowed; to prevent arguments over which religion is more valid than another. It simply isn't the proper place of government to make that determination. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 20:33, 4 March 2008 (EST)
::::::::Philip, if you're truly so open-minded, I salute you. But, I expect that you would be the exception rather than the rule. There was a case where a few years ago a teacher in California was teaching a history class and spent a 1 week module studying Islam and its impact on world history. There was such a backlash from local parents that the course had to be cancelled. This wasn't a case of prayer, merely study, and she was hung out to dry. As a more personal example, here in the Phoenix area we have a large Evangelical population and a large Mormon population. We've seen even here on CP that many argue that Mormonism isn't a form of Christianity, but a cult. It's not difficult to imagine a group of evangelical parents being upset if their children have to sit through Mormon prayers that they view as unChristian. It's not such a stretch to see them suing the school district claiming that the district is intervening in their ability to raise their children in the religious manner they see fit. This is the reason that organized classroom prayer is disallowed; to prevent arguments over which religion is more valid than another. It simply isn't the proper place of government to make that determination. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 20:33, 4 March 2008 (EST)
::::::::: I accept that not every Christian would be as "open-minded", to use your words, as I am. On the other hand, your example from California is not a fair contrast to what I said. In case you missed it, in saying that I would not object to a Hindu prayer in a Hindu-run school, in a government-run school in a Hindu country, etc., then by implication I would expect government-run schools in a ''Christian'' country, such as America, to have ''Christian'' prayers (etc.). But that is ''not'' the case. Your Californian example is of a teacher teaching about Islam and its impact ''in a school where the same would not be allowed for Christianity, despite it being a Christian country''! So it's not the particular teaching per se, but the hypocrisy and inconsistency of what is allowed and what isn't allowed.
::::::::: If the reason that organised prayer is disallowed is to prevent arguments, then it's been a total failure, as you still have arguments! And if it isn't the proper place of government to determine which religion is more valid, then why are they doing just that in promoting humanistic views whilst banning biblical views?
::::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:05, 4 March 2008 (EST)
The creative attempts to justify classroom prayer are illogical and self-contradictory:
The creative attempts to justify classroom prayer are illogical and self-contradictory: