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Thomas Paine was not a Founding Father of America by a long shot, having spent almost his entire life in England. There is no one founder of deism, as the concepts and ideas have been around for much longer than the 1600's. The only thing the "founder" adds is confusion by having concepts that really don't make much sense together. There is God, but He's stepped aside and does not take any personal role in events, but yet there's also a heaven and a moral standard used for who goes there on a personal one on one basis. Is He a personal God or is He aloof? It appears to be both simultaneously. One can see why deism died out relatively quickly under those conditions. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:55, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
Thomas Paine was not a Founding Father of America by a long shot, having spent almost his entire life in England. There is no one founder of deism, as the concepts and ideas have been around for much longer than the 1600's. The only thing the "founder" adds is confusion by having concepts that really don't make much sense together. There is God, but He's stepped aside and does not take any personal role in events, but yet there's also a heaven and a moral standard used for who goes there on a personal one on one basis. Is He a personal God or is He aloof? It appears to be both simultaneously. One can see why deism died out relatively quickly under those conditions. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:55, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
==Thomas Paine is a Founding Father==
Actually Thomas Paine is considered by many historians to be one of the "Fathers of the American Revolution." He may have spent most of his life in Britain, but that's beside the point considering the American colonies were British territories before the revolution, and Americans were considered "British."
Paine arrived in the colonies just before the revolution, and was one of the few to advocate complete separation and total independence from British rule. Thomas Paine wrote the "Age of Reason," "Common Sense" - the later being an extremely popular pro-independence pamphlet.
As for your later statements, who claims there is a moral standard? Consumption of pork, shellfish, and beef is considered immoral in many societies and religions. God being non-personal doesn't mean God is aloof. It just means everything that happens is already according to his 'grand design' so he has no need to directly intervene. As for Deism dying out, it hasn't died out, and what's your point?
If you want a philosophical debate, then I can assure you that religions followed today is far worse in terms of logic.
[[User:Intranetusa|Intranetusa]] 13:36, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
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